:haha::har: :woot: :yep:

I just prefer each boat be historically close as much as possible.

Yeah.. i was. I shoved it off on a back burner. I needed this poll as a reality check. Once irealized how much effort i was dumping into it, I posted this poll to get a rough idea on how it would go over. I'm guessing not as well as i had hopped. *shrug* fine by me, no sweat off my nose, i just move on to other things.

This bit of brutal honesty brought to you by two double shots of captain morgan. Never drink and post!

If I could Ducimus, I'd pass along a bottle of Meyers Dark or Platinum White rum for ya'! Heck man, you deserve it! Some real good Caribbean rum!

What I don`t really get here is why it has to be one or the other.

Ducimus, if you wanna bring out a Tautog campaign (like i`ve seen you talk about in another thread) you should just do it. People who rather play TMO and have lots of boats would play that. People wanting a proper build ship including campaign would play that. Or heck just create a double install.
And let`s not forget, at the moment only 30 people voted and it`s 13 to 17. Multiply that percentage with all the people playing SH4 and using mod`s. That`s a hell of a lot of people interested in your new MOD. Probably also some non TMO players.
If you really am interested in building this I`d say go for it. People often don`t know what is good for them anyway. :O:

Just remember "can`t please everyone, so you got to please yourself"

It depends, but I voted for the many types of subs being available.

I would be happy with the one type of submarine done really well, but I don't want a "submarine simulator" as somebody mentioned above. I don't want to trim the boat, load the tubes, operate the diving planes, flush the toilet type of simulator.

I prefer the "submarine commander simulator". I want to set up the attack, evade retaliation, and make those kind of decisions and let my crew operate the boat with a boat that behaves as realistically as possible within the confines of the game.

:)

I am sure whatever you want to do will be well received, especially an in depth look at one boat. I would certainly be interested.

I voted the "Fairly Well" option. Not that I don't appreciate exacting standards but, I tend to hold myself to higher standards (that I cannot even keep) than I hold others. This translates to appreciation of fine detail by others and no appreciation of myself. Hmmm:hmmm:, oh well, anyway, in all the times I've been playing, I really don't spend much time meandering about my boat. I visit the various cpmpartments by necessity, not by design. That aside, I do appreciate the small details/touches in TMO that are aren't found anywhere else.
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...c/headache.gifGeez, I hope that makes sense. I'm really tired right now.

I've played SHIV for year and half, past year with TMO. Not that I'm bored with it, but I always looked for your newest release and moved to it as soon as I could. Therefore I vote for your "done well" as long as it is a submarine commander simulation, because it would be something new.

I didn't notice a ton of variance between fleet boats in SHIV compared to the uboats in sH3. As you said, the german boats were designed for radically different functions (II - coastal/north sea hunting; VII - hunt the western approaches; IX - ultra-long range hunting; XXI - bringing about the nautical apocalypse).

In terms of fleet boats, it's a bit tedious until you get to the Gato; which has 'full' fleet boat functionality. Hence, in terms of the poll I voted for 'one done really well' so long as we're talking about fleet boats. But I must say I _really_ miss the variance in boats and strategies that were present in SH3.

How about a Tambor will 4 conning tower refits instead of a gato? Or is it all about the gato? In gameplay terms, the main difference between the two is diving depth.
(edit: admittidy, mission wise, the Gato is easier. I'm perplexed as to how the hell would I handle Dec 7th as a starting date. )

As usual I'm late to the party.
I will however say I'm of the 1 perfect boat mindset- the caviat being obsolete. Having the state of the art boat is not why I play sub games, I like to play with the 'used and abused' boats, so a perfect S or T boat is comfortable to me in a WW2 sim, like an old gym shoe.

Even though I voted the "Fairly Well" category, I can assert that I would be extremely happy with, and equally thankful for, any new submarine modifications you might add. If you add it to TMO, I'll certainly use it.:yep::salute:

Voted for 1 done very well. Think it would add to the immersion to skipper 1 boat throughout the war, more of a connection and whatnot...

Well, maybe two really well done boats, the Gato and the Tambor! I think I have played enough with the early boats. Although it is a blast to patrol in a completely kitted out S-42!

Its all good man!

Interesting the poll results.

You know the odd thing is, the Gato seems to be the most iconic of fleet boats. At least, that's the impression I have. I never understood that entirely. I mean, in my mind, when i think "fleet boat" the first thing that pops into my head is Gato. Why? Is that just me, or is that the real icon? The odd thing is, there were a hell of a lot more Balao's made then Gato's, and yet the Gato stands out. Maybe it's because the balao's came later after the "formative" years of the war? I don't know.

I was looking at a "favorite boat" poll posted 3 years ago, and out of 338 votes, the results were:

Sboats: 56 (16.57%)
Porpoise: 21 (6.21%)
Salmon/Sargo: 31 (9.17%)
Tambor Gar: 31 ( 9.17%)
Gato:92( 27.22%)
Balao:107 (31.6%)


Ignoring the often gallant history associated with all the boat classes, my personal thoughts on them in context of within the game:

Lots of people love the S class. Personally? I strongly dislike them. To me they are the type 2's of the Uboat world - dugout canoes to be avoided.

The porpoise? With 4 forward and 2 aft, it smacks of a type 9 with a much shallower crush depth. *shrug* Why would i want that?

Salmon and sargo's. I do like the sargo's hull conning tower shape. But for some really weird reason, i have a problem with having as many tubes aft as i have in the bow. Why? I don't know, it just bugs me.

Tambor/Gar. Now we're talking! 4 aft, 6 bow. You can spit as many fish out your bow as a type 9 from both ends. The only fly in the ointment is the lower test and crush depth as compared to a gato... well... not REALLY. Reading a PDF from our local fleet boat expert from navsource, it would seem their really was no difference in crush depth between these boats and a gato. The only difference being a water tight bulkhead seperating the engine spaces.

Gato. You know what I love? 4 possible refit configurations. What i hate? can't dive as deep as a balao.

Balao. The only thing i don't like, is it has the least refit options, and it comes later in the game. One conning tower type, and a late war start.


All this rambeling, it leads me back to a point i should have made earlier.

- Some people derive pleasure from new commands. Going up the evolutionary pecking order from WW1 riveted rust bucket, to the Tench.

- Other people derive pleasure from commanding one boat through out the entire war. Watching that boat evolve technologically as the war progresses. ( I think i fall in this category)

- Other still, are probably a mix of the two.

Ducimus;

I have been following this thread with interest, as I am a fan of your work since Flavored to Taste. If I may, I would like to offer a suggestion. Perhaps instead of concentrating on a particular class of boat, instead focus on the career of one or two of the most interesting skippers in the various boats.

Most didn't command more than 1 or 2 classes of boats. I just imagine how interesting it would be to be put in the same situations as Creed Burlingame, Sam Dealy, Mush Morton, Dick O'Kane and others. Have a career structured to have the same patrol orders as some of the more famous skippers.

Perhaps this would be more of an extension to what you're planning. Either way, I look forward to anything else you decide to do with the game.

Just a thought, do with it what you will.

Thanks

Respectfully Submitted;
CDR Resser

Myself personally, I enjoy having one boat during the entire war and see her through the tough times.

One thing to note. As you said, the only real difference between the Tambor and Gato was that one bulkhead between engine spaces. So could it not be possible to simply make a Tambor interior, and then have a brand new Gato interior (basically the same as the Tambor except for the bulkhead thrown in?) for when you get promoted?

Also, for the Dec 7th issue.. When were Gato boats being tested and the like? Maybe you could be one of the 'first' skippers to get the boat and put her through her paces near San Diego or near Norfolk.