When actually is the end of the campaign in stock SH5? Someone wrote that he was up to 1944 (sans new Magnum´s mod "Open Horizont"!

When actually the end of the campaign in stock SH5

Where ends also Black Pit in stock SH5?:06:

The stock campaign ends at 'Black May', 1943.

Some users reports, they still play the stock campaign in 1944 (Black Pit)...:06:

Those people are being less than truthful.

i'd like to point out a history changing event... what if you preventing the sinking of the bismark, and it's able to be repaired >.>; it would have had a HUGE impact on the war for the germans as it could almost singlehandedly blockade the usa-england convoy route, thus cutting england off, and with england cut off, no way for troops to reach it for the normandy invasion...... >.>

theoreticly you CAN change history in just 1 sub. i mean what if you sunk the queen mary while church hill was on it? huge moral blow to england, it loses a great leader aswell as the will to fight and surrenders to germany the following year.

just saying, they could have added in the history changing, =/

Or what about taking out Chruchill on his voyages to the US? Or taking out the troop ships landing in Norway? Or even if the Indianapolis had been sunk before delivering her cargo? There are events, influenced by a single U-boat, that would change history. There are even more if you can consider including the successes of multiple boats, like preventing resupplies to Africa or Murmansk.

Would the axis ever have won? I doubt it. With one of the major players (US) not having an active front to wage land battles, just remote ones they had to send troops to, made them pretty much immune to strategic production denial (ie, strategic bombings), and they still would have been able to produce arms in the numbers they did.

But it would be nice to see a more dynamic campaign, where capital ship losses by the RN would allow the kreigsmarine surface fleet to become a bigger part in the war. Imagine where they wouldn't have to worry about the RN sortie'ing multiple TF's to hunt one Battleship, most of the remaining capital ships would be required to do escort duty, etc etc.

But being able to program this, and do it intelligently, would be almost impossible IMO. Taking out Churchill would be such a huge game changer, in ways we can't really even imagine, that it would be impossible to model.

i beg to differ, i think if england fell then the rest of europe wouldn't be far behind, and then germany/usa would probably look to a ceasefire/ agreement to end hostilities in europe... imagine the normandy landings if all those troops/ships had to sail from new york instead of dunkirk >.> with the western front all but none existant (it would be a sea battle at the very most with america struggling to get a beachhead on solid ground) efforts can then be diverted to the eastern front and a new push into russia can commence with more troops/man power, and, (hopefully) more competent leaders... while success might not be attained in russia, the whole point of the assuilt would definately be obtained (the fuel supplies on the edge of the baltic sea )
and with that europe is won, and the advances to the heart of the russia motherland, or into northern africa can get a new boost in energy

(i play strategic games alot )

Isn't Dunkirk in France? But I know what you meant.

I don't think Britain would have fallen though, Hitler never planned well enough to invade Britain, they never would have had the requisite number of craft to make the landing. The troops would have been slaughtered as they landed, as they wouldn't have been landing in big enough numbers.

I don't have long so I'l keep this short, but I like realism but all I said is that if you advertise a "completely dynamic campaign" it should be dynamic (even if an axis win is unlikely, eg turning off vulnerability sailing up the Thames and using your deck gun to level Westminster (which owing to my feelings about the congestion charge in London is a rather appealing idea), and the unfortunate truth is that had the Germans invaded when they wanted to invade they probably would have won simply because the UK didn't have the numbers or resources to kill them on beaches let alone the battle field, and once the Luftwaffe was once again fighting combined arms ops I doubt the RAF would have stood up much better than the French armie de air, in fact Churchill fell out with the high command as he insisted in sending the reserves that the general staff wanted for the defence of the UK to fight in north Africa. If the Germans wanted to invade they only needed to mass their artillery on the coast of the eastern channel and those land based guns would have made it a no go zone for the RN, and had they established a beach head there, I doubt we'd have been much able to oppose them, but as I said the Germans wanted to force a peace not really invade and occupy the UK, and their plans for the UK reflect this as they would have occupied southern England, granted semi autonomy to the north and full independence to Scotland and Wales with NI going back to Ireland, though their lack of enthusiasm is also reflected in their lack of serious planning and their will to put any of it into action. So certainly at the beginning of the war a resounding success by one or many U-boat captains could in theory have brought Churchill to the bargaining table, especially if is entailed the loss of 2 aircraft carries and 4/5 battleships (its feb 1940 and I'm hunting for BB number 3)

Hi guys. Just wanted to add my 2 cents. I'm not going to go into the one changing the course of the war debate. (Though it's very interesting to speculate on.) Anyway, point I wanted to make: The luftwaffe was actually close to subduing Fighter command in the battle of britain. I believe the turning point was when the RAF conducted a night raid on berlin sometime in the middle of the battle. Hitler, in a fit of megalomania, ordered the Luftwaffe to switch attacks from RAF airbases to cities (the Blitz). If that hadn't occured, the germans might have won the Battle of Britain. Then...who knows?