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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 1531305)

The catholic church and all Christianity, is geared toward ensuring your afterlife in heaven, not easing your earthly burdens. That is the reason for self denial and self-inflicted pain amongst certain monks. By suffering on earth you reap the rewards of heaven.

Not my cup of tea, but bearing that in mind allows some understanding of the motives.

Oh, I poerfectly understand their claims of why they do what they do. It's jujst that I never believed them that the church hierarchy meant that honest and serious. It's all abvout power-politics.

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Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 1531300)

Simple really - gay pride exists because gay shame exists. It's a funny version of Newton's Third Law of Motion :)

Newton'S third law, eh? :DL

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Agreed on the church not having any authority here, but I don't see why a) the public is "not allowed" to express disgust, or b) why this protest should be seen as disgusting.

Dare to say something against CSD and nude parades, and be ready to get a public grilling by the media echo and the PC brigade for your "intolerance" and obvious "discrimination". I wonder why so far opposition to CSD and public nudity has not been brandmarked as "racism" - or have I just missed it?

It begs to be asked... How many fruits do we have in the vegetable bin around here ? :o

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 1531404)

Because he openly dislikes gays; it's that old "I don't mind them, just so long as they stay in the closet where I don't have to see them" deal. I have strong feelings that he would not find an inter-racial kiss-in or an Atheist Free Hugs Day nearly as irking.

CSD and comparable freak shows give gays a bad name and do them a bad service. And as I repeatedly said in the past, many gays do not wish to be associated with these freak shows at all. As I also repeatedly said, I knew two gay students at university, we learned together sometimes. They both also expressed their disgust for these freaks (they called them freaks themselves, so who am I toban that term from usage). They wanted what you look right down to and find so alienating, apparently: they wanted to not make an issue of their orientation and wanted be left with the freedom and peace to live their private life like they want. Which is no problem for me at all. When I do not like the idea of my sex life being pulled and laid out in all public, why should most gay men or lesbian women be different in that attitude? The only reasons I can imagine are craving for recognition and self-dramatisation.

I also did not get an infectous gay-disease or herpes when those two and me made skin contact by shaking hands, or sharing the same bottle for drinking. ;) All I once got from them was a flu.

Not all gays crave for the public's spotlights and attention beign payed to their narcissistic self-dramatisation or because they take themselves so very important. I dare say that most gay men are not like that. CSD freaks to me are a minority - but a very loud and noisy one that forms the image of them all and gets qa lot of recognition, unfortunately..

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1531456)

I wonder why so far opposition to CSD and public nudity has not been brandmarked as "racism" - or have I just missed it?

Cat Scratch Disease? Cortical Spreading Depression? Chartered Society of Designers? Communication Service for the Deaf?
WTFH is CSD:06:
It isn't on Wikipedia/Wiktionary

As for why public nudity isn't brandmarked as "racism", it's actually quite simple to understand. You are either born as a gay or not, just like you're born as a black or white or yellow or purple person. You can't help it. But you aren't born as a nudist. You are born nude, yes, but not as a nudist.

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Originally Posted by DarkFish (Post 1531471)

As for why public nudity isn't brandmarked as "racism", it's actually quite simple to understand.

That was not what I - rethorically - asked. I was not about public nudity and racism, but claims of racism being used to gag criticism of public nudity and CSD.

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1531474)

Christopher Street Day,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Street_Day

Ah k... also explains why I didn't know the name:

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Only Germany and Switzerland use the term CSD, in other countries, the same kind of event is called Gay Pride or Pride Parade

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1531475)

That was not what I - rethorically - asked. I was not about public nudity and racism, but claims of racism being used to gag criticism of public nudity and CSD.

Hmm so I simply mistook your rhetorical question as a genuine one:hmmm:
Anyway, if criticism of nudity etc. are brandmarked as racism, the ones doing the brandmarking should reread what racism is as they obviously don't understand the word.

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL (Post 1531462)

It begs to be asked... How many fruits do we have in the vegetable bin around here ? :o

I'm neither, but who cares! Let's have a parade and celebrate nude submarine pride.

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1531293)

I wish gay activists would stop with their narcisstic self-dramatisation, and the church would stop claiming powers that it does not deserve.

When a pope talks about protection of family values (I'm all for prioritizing families due to their overwhelming importance for the scoial community's future), he is not so much aboit family interests, but powerinterests of the church and the control it wants to have over people, and the status it claims for itself in society. And when gay activists launch another CSD or a Kiss-in or a nude parade, they are not about civil rights and equality, but their very own little climax of the day, and enjoying to be naughty in public without the public being allowed to express disgust. That's such a kick!

The church and it's orders are not holy. And there is no explicit reason for gay "pride", there is no merit in being gay (or hetero - it is like your skin colour: some have this colour, others have that - what's there to be "proud" of?). Both religion and sexual orientation should be left where it belongs - inside people's private chamber.

So will both of you two freaks, gay activists and church alike, stop annoying the vast majorit of us, please!

And btw, dear Mr. Ratzinger, a figure that still condemns the containing of HIV by using condoms, and still is committed to increasing the biggest crime in human history - pushing global population explosion and all the miserable suffering that it causes by the hundreds of millions every year - has not the smallest moral authority himself to lecture others about moral values.

This.:yeah:

Nothing against argumenst for family values and communality in western societies. This individuality crap taken to the extremes leads to general deterioration of cohesion in society and these special interest groups forcing their agenda to others.

In Finland the sexual minorities issue is becoming an election theme because the PC media is drumming it up.
Im all for giving the same legal status for sexual minorities concerning forming relationships, inheritence laws etc.

But at the same time there can be no crime in saying that the traditional family concept should be something to be endorsed.
This goes for everyone, the divorce rates for exsample are a sign of the selfishness that is rampant in our societies.

Being gay or transexual is nothing you can choose to be or not, but saying it is not outside the norm would be a case of a giant elephant on the room.

If it makes me a biggot that i dont think it is good for a child to have mother that is nowdays a man who has wife that is also his/her mother then il gladly be a biggot.:yeah:

The tide of selfishness is flowing and it is'nt going to ebb until it gets boring. I'm ambivilant about the child/parent relationship being harmful, children are stronger than we give them credit for. Besides, it's not as if they have no exposure to heterosexual parents to consider. Time will show what harm there is in it.

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And as I repeatedly said in the past, many gays do not wish to be associated with these freak shows at all. As I also repeatedly said, I knew two gay students at university,

Sky trots out his two gays at the gymnasium again for his own little gay parade:yeah:

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 1531517)

Time will show what harm there is in it.

This is the problem for me personally, using children as in an experiment.

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1531233)

who cares?

The Pope?

There are just two groups exercising their freedom of speech, nothing more, nothing less, can't see any sensational stuff going on here.
One group is dressed like freaks, shows weird behaviour and defend perverted values - the other group just does some kissing in the streets...:cool:

This was about the Pope and the Vatican's outstretched hand and not some freaks, but nothing to raise the eyes

I was talking about these freaks, the OTs - Original Transvestites: :03:

http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,5276944_1,00.jpg

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1531669)

Well done. :yeah: