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Task Force 11-03-10 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1528520)
Keep moving the bar. Now its about the indians. Slavery exists today. Democrats remove the possibility of freedom by giving away money, which will be worth even less tomorrow..

It is slavery by another name, and without the obvious trappings.

How did the democrats and them giving money away get into this, if you want to complain about our current political situation, find anouther thread. theres hundreds of them.

Oah, and you can complain about me talking about the natives, but its true, and its as bad. Face it, the US has a bad history, as every other country. Were no better than the rest.

The Third Man 11-03-10 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force (Post 1528530)
How did the democrats and them giving money away get into this, if you want to complain about are current political situation, find anouther thread. theres hundreds of them.

I brought it in. I believe that giving people money through social programs, welfare, etc. is a form of slavery. To attain the moneys requires the individual to jump through gov't hoops, and maintain that level of control by government.

The free individual doesn't have the hoops and is not a slave to them.

Task Force 11-03-10 07:03 PM

I just realised Im discussing something with The third man, hah, thats a waste of time...

The Third Man 11-03-10 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force (Post 1528538)
I just realised Im discussing something with The third man, hah, thats a waste of time...

Because your end of the discussion is flawed? Or, U just afraid, ha.

Task Force 11-03-10 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1528542)
Because your end of the discussion is flawed? Or, U just afraid, ha.

No, Its actualy because I think you are a real a*******, who post political bull all the time, and make GT annoying by pushing your stupid political agenda around like a giant pile of ****!

thats why, you are like all the other people who think that subsim is a awsome place to push your stupid politics into threads, when in all actuality almost no one reallys cares, and wants to see it.

I just looked up the new posts, you realise how many threads/posts you have on this political stuff. ITS STUPID DAMNIT, and some people are sick of it, I use to like subsim, and frequent the GT, but nowdays its political slime, and the people who post it!

tater 11-03-10 07:19 PM

Are a bunch of idiots able to be attracted by MUSIC actually worth giving up freedom of expression over?

Seriously, sounds like a bunch of morons who can't be bothered to get a job, much less take over a nation, lol.

Ducimus 11-03-10 07:45 PM

Obligatory. :D

Gerald 11-03-10 07:55 PM

You could not have chosen a better time ...

the_tyrant 11-03-10 08:11 PM

Neo nazies are quite common in china, mongolia etc
i remember seeing high school kids in china doing the nazi salute and thinking that it was cool:nope:

the_tyrant 11-03-10 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force (Post 1528545)
No, Its actualy because I think you are a real a*******, who post political bull all the time, and make GT annoying by pushing your stupid political agenda around like a giant pile of ****!

thats why, you are like all the other people who think that subsim is a awsome place to push your stupid politics into threads, when in all actuality almost no one reallys cares, and wants to see it.

I just looked up the new posts, you realise how many threads/posts you have on this political stuff. ITS STUPID DAMNIT, and some people are sick of it, I use to like subsim, and frequent the GT, but nowdays its political slime, and the people who post it!

come on, lets play nice;)

CCIP 11-03-10 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant (Post 1528599)
Neo nazies are quite common in china, mongolia etc
i remember seeing high school kids in china doing the nazi salute and thinking that it was cool:nope:

and India:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8660064.stm

the_tyrant 11-03-10 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1528603)

I think its because that in developing nations politically active teens think that their country is treated unfairly by more powerful nations. Therefore, they idolize Hitlar

AngusJS 11-03-10 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1528450)
(and yep, I consider anyone in ww2 in a german uniform a nazi, regardless of their actual party membership status)

Especially those who were drafted, or who joined the military before 1933, right?

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"damn straight, the time to surrender is BEFORE you kill so many of the guys who are obviously gonna win."
So I assume that if this were to happen to American soldiers, you'd have no problem with it? Serves em' right, I suppose?

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Germans knew exactly what was going on in Germany. Fighting for Germany in WW2 was fighting for Hitler, and everything that meant. they knew this.
Exactly, because access to unbiased sources of information is easy and unfettered in totalitarian states, and the price of dissent is minimal. :doh:

So EVERYONE in Germany knew exactly what was going on all the time. ANYONE who wasn't willing to risk his family and friends being arrested after he opposed the regime bears full responsibility.

If the Germans knew everything their government was doing, then I guess the Soviets knew everything their government was doing too, right? So I guess any man to wear the Soviet uniform was culpable for the USSR's crimes, especially the ones who died by the millions to win the war? :nope:

If only everyone had your moral clarity. Life would be so simple. :roll:

Gerald 11-03-10 08:20 PM

Difficult to find relevant words, which fit in the story, it becomes this way, :down:

CCIP 11-03-10 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant (Post 1528610)
I think its because that in developing nations politically active teens think that their country is treated unfairly by more powerful nations. Therefore, they idolize Hitlar


In fairness, I think they're less Neo-Nazism as such and more just silly cargo cult Nazism that doesn't understand anything.

the_tyrant 11-03-10 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1528614)
In fairness, I think they're less Neo-Nazism as such and more just silly cargo cult Nazism that doesn't understand anything.

That is probably true
but you know, rising housing prices, rising crime, people in those places are always looking to expand their "living space"

frau kaleun 11-03-10 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1528614)
In fairness, I think they're less Neo-Nazism as such and more just silly cargo cult Nazism that doesn't understand anything.

It's entirely possible they're just looking for Kyle.

I understand he's about *this* tall.

Castout 11-03-10 08:57 PM

Good riddance.

DarkFish 11-03-10 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1528505)
I didn't say modern Germany was culpable in nazi crimes, I said German soldiers were "nazis" as far as I was concerned since they fought to prolong the Reich, and hence everything bad it stood for. Any German who was happy or proud when Poland, France or anywhere else fell is no better—that leaves little of the population left to be "anti-nazi."

So let's say you were a German youngster in the late 30s/early 40s. One day, a Wehrmacht officer comes knocking on your door, telling you you're drafted into the army, report at your nearest Wehrmacht base tomorrow.
But instead of obeying the officer, you shout "**** Hitler!" in his face and go into hiding. In a nazi-infested country, reliable and courageous enough people are hard to find, but you're one of the lucky few and find a farmer miles out of town who lets you stay in exchange for some hard field labour. Meanwhile, you are labeled a traitor and your family gets arrested and put on the first train to Auschwitz. But hey, what does it all matter to you since you finally had the chance to defy Hitler:yeah:

frau kaleun 11-03-10 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AngusJS (Post 1528611)
Especially those who were drafted, or who joined the military before 1933, right?

So I assume that if this were to happen to American soldiers, you'd have no problem with it? Serves em' right, I suppose?

Exactly, because access to unbiased sources of information is easy and unfettered in totalitarian states, and the price of dissent is minimal. :doh:

So EVERYONE in Germany knew exactly what was going on all the time. ANYONE who wasn't willing to risk his family and friends being arrested after he opposed the regime bears full responsibility.

It sometimes happens that people who've never actually lived through a particular type of experience prefer to believe that, if they did, they would do the "right thing" (usually determined to be "right" by virtue of their own hindsight) without question and without regard to the sacrifices it would entail. Consequently, they tend to judge very harshly anyone who actually did live through that experience and didn't do what they believe they would have had the knowledge, foresight, determination, and courage to have done themselves. Doing that is much easier than admitting that we are all subject to the same human frailties, failings, and limitations.

The reality is that none of us who weren't and aren't there can ever know what we would have done, even if we had been party to all the available information. Would I have had the courage to resist and fight back if it were only my life that was put at risk? Maybe. I would hope so. Would I have been willing to risk the lives of my friends and loved ones as well? I don't know. Nobody does, unless they've done it.

I like to believe that if my life were threatened, or if I saw someone's life being threatened, that I'd immediately take action and do whatever was necessary to defend those that needed defending. It's something I believe is the right thing to do, and it's something that I have been training myself to do for several years now. Do I think I could live with the consequences of doing what seemed necessary? Absolutely. Do I know for sure that I would actually step up and do it? No. The truth is, no matter how hard I train, and no matter how noble my intentions, when push came to shove I might freeze up entirely or misjudge the situation until it was too late to for me to do anyone any good.

You don't get the "A" until you've passed the test, and there are some tests that no one should ever have to take, and some that none of us will ever be required to take. Some people take them, or have the tests forced on them, and - by our standards - fail. But our standards are often based on a virtue we believe we possess even though it has never been tested to the same extreme, if at all. It's far too easy to condemn others for not making the choices we think they should have made when we have never been faced with making them ourselves.


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