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Originally Posted by August (Post 1527405)

Doesn't really matter I think. The incoming Congress will extend them long before anyone has to pay.

New congress can't do squat, frankly. Obama has veto.

Anything passed will have to be bipartisan.

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1527395)

It's no real surprise that you find the concept incredulous. :roll:

The fact that you can't grasp the concept of a humorous fiction that uses real life themes to illustrate a point is indeed incredulous.

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1527135)

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

Obama is too much of a ideologue to do a "move" to the center.Clinton did not really move to the center, he just made it appear so.Okay on a few things like welfare reform he did but that was just to make it look so.Clinton is a far left fool BUT he liked being President more than anything, thus why he gave in on some things.Obama will prob not even try that because as said he is too much of an ideologue, feels that sort of thing is beneath him and as he has shown, could care less what the people want.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1527184)

The last Congress was a disaster because of stuff like this:

http://i.imgur.com/o8jCW.png

The problem is that lately the GOP has taken such a turn to the hard right that their view of "centrism" is skewed. And you can forget bipartisanship - the tone is to oust any "moderate" Republicans who are viewed as frauds and pretenders. If you don't meet some ideological purity test, you're shunned.

I had a woman tell me that she believed any Republican that broke ranks with the party in a bipartisanship vote should be kicked out of the party. What an idiot.

Bipartisanship is overrated and part of the problem.When you have two groups who's principles are at absolute odds with one another, you can not compromise.Those who do compromise when it goes against what they really believe are a weak, spineless breed and have NO place in the GOP.I'm glad to see the RINO's gone.Just too bad we couldn't purge McCain out of the party but oh well I guess.

Mookie, I agree the anyone who says someone should get the boot for simply breaking ranks is wrong, maybe even an idiot.However, if they claim to be a Republican/Conservative but often vote for things are are contrary to the principles of a Republican/Conservative then they become a RINO and should be given the boot.Breaking ranks now and then unless on a big issue like health care is acceptable.I often disagree with fellow Republicans and Conservatives on issues such as gay marriage, religion, etc but it makes me no less a Republican or Conservative.However, if I claimed to be one and supported Obama and the Dems on fiscal issues or healthcare, then my principles are obviously not strong and I am in the wrong party.

RINO's like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, John McCain etc Governor of Florida Charlie Crist is a great example of a RINO, claims to be a "moderate" lol but a damn RINO and thus why he lost the Primary to Rubio and is way down in the polls for Senate since he switched to Independent.Some tolerance for the occasional different view on issues can be shown but people who are regular offenders should be shunned and in this new era for the party, they prob will and that is a great thing.

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Originally Posted by Webster (Post 1527296)

obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

he has shown he will never compromise or try to get along, hell even with the big losses the democrats know are coming, just a few days ago in a speech he told republicans they had to get to the back of the bus :o

he sure likes to play the race card a lot and makes racist comments for someone who said he is supposed to be post racial

lol duh because he is racist, I knew this before 2008 after reading his books.The man's racism has came to light in various comments and incidents(such as copgate) Obama is also someone who has used his race his ENTIRE life as a means to get in the door someone then as an excuse if something does not work out.Just a disgusting trait(flaw) he has as a human being. +

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1527480)

The fact that you can't grasp the concept of a humorous fiction that uses real life themes to illustrate a point is indeed incredulous.

:roll: This is what you said Mookie:

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It illustrates exactly how the past two years have transpired and it proves my point exactly.

Now either admit that you were wrong again or start your usual backpedaling.

Nothing to admit I'm wrong about. The fact that it obviously went over your head isn't worth me wasting anymore time trying to explain it to you Dr Seuss style. This is a ridiculous discussion.

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1527620)

Now either admit that you were wrong again or start your usual backpedaling.

I see you've started your usual snippy and petty comments. We're done here.

Clinton was forced to the center by the congressional change. New congress won't get credit for anything positive by the media, Obama will. Similarly, if things don't improve, the same media will blame the new congress (except maybe the one media outlet that is not left of center—and they'd do the opposite to the dems if the shoes were on the other feet.).

Bottom line is that any success of the new congress will make Obama more electable in 2012.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1527622)

Nothing to admit I'm wrong about. The fact that it obviously went over your head isn't worth me wasting anymore time trying to explain it Dr Seuss style.

No I understand it perfectly. If I or another conservative had tried to use a fictional story to "prove" a point we were making you would be all over us about it but when we call you on it you resort to personal insults. Yeah I get your drift man.

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I would, but you've beat me to it by starting your usual snippy and petty comments

Oh I'm being snippy and petty but you making Dr Seuss comparisons is the complete opposite of that right? I guess you are having a bad night politically but just that's no reason to be rude robin.

The made-up story is pretty silly. There must be some real example to point to, no? There are in the other direction, the dems spent years during Bush with policies that essentially consisted of being contrary to W. I'm sure Rs have done the same as well.

Still, a RL example makes a point that someone's goofy facebook post (so the internet tells me when I search that image (which only shows at chan4chan when I did a search) does not.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1527493)

I vote McRib.

I vote "french fries with pepper".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7yOkeFJMM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1527624)

Bet you 20 bucks Obama doesent moderate. Its not in his blood.

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1527707)

Bet you 20 bucks Obama doesent moderate. Its not in his blood.

HE won't moderate, but the governance of the country will moderate, and he'll get credit by the media as the President.

See what I mean? No matter what the results are specifically tonight, the Ds no longer have supermajorities that allow them to dictate policy at will. Nothing controversial will pass at all. So at the least the bleeding stops, and BO gets credit, even if it's just congress. It helped that Clinton was smart enough to claim ownership over stuff congress did...