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Jimbuna 10-11-10 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1512666)
Well its not Lerwick then. That's about 460miles from you.:hmmm:

How about HMS Ambrose in Dundee?

EDIT: The other options are HMS Varbell Port Bannatyne Hydropathic Hotel Isle of Bute, or HMS Varbell II Ardtaraig House near Loch Striven in Argyll. But that structure looks in good nick for something that was demolished in 1955 in the shots I've seen. That and the google maps pics don't reflect a structure like that near these locations so I reckon the X craft training facilities are out.
It is located in England, not Scotland or Wales.

You are correct in dismissing the X craft training facilities.

Think of another type of submersible and the term 'incarceration'.

Now that should let the cat out of the bag :DL

Dowly 10-11-10 07:40 AM
The "Uboat Hotel".

IN YOUR FACES! YEAH! :rock:

(I was right, right? :oops:)

TarJak 10-11-10 07:42 AM
54.339517, -3.022234 Grizedale Hall in Cumbria. Should have twigged when you told me last week where you went on hols.:damn:

Oberon 10-11-10 07:48 AM
Dammit...just a bit too late. :haha:

Yeah, it's the Uboat Hotel.

U-35s captain and officers wound up there after they spent some time in the Tower. :yeah: The Kaleu then helped von Werra escape.

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Grizedale Hall is mainly associated, if it is remembered at all, with 'The One That Got Away' - the story of Oberleutnant Franz von Werra. This pilot had been shot down in Kent on 5 September 1940 and, after interrogation, had been transferred to Grizedale Hall. He escaped from a working party outside the camp on 7 October 1940 and managed to survive on the hills (or 'fells' as they are known) for six days in very poor weather conditions. He was re-captured and, after another escape and re-capture from a camp at Swanwick, Derbyshire, was shipped to Canada. In transit within Canada he escaped from a train and crossed the part-frozen St. Lawrence river to the (then neutral) USA. He was then smuggled back to Germany via Mexico and Panama only to die on 25 October 1941 when his Me109 came down, cause unknown, in the sea off Holland.

TarJak 10-11-10 07:55 AM
http://www.bbm.org.uk/GrizedaleHall.htm

Jimbuna 10-11-10 08:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1512700)
The "Uboat Hotel".

IN YOUR FACES! YEAH! :rock:

(I was right, right? :oops:)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1512702)
54.339517, -3.022234 Grizedale Hall in Cumbria. Should have twigged when you told me last week where you went on hols.:damn:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1512705)
Dammit...just a bit too late. :haha:

Yeah, it's the Uboat Hotel.

U-35s captain and officers wound up there after they spent some time in the Tower. :yeah: The Kaleu then helped von Werra escape.
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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1512706)
Thank heaven http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9425/praydl5rp5.gif

It's true title was Special Camp No1 or Officers Camp No1
Grizedale Hall was its local name http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2772/thumbsupgv0.gif

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/319/111qot.jpg
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/1655/222ou.jpg

http://lh.matthewbeckett.com/houses/...o_gallery.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizedale

They even made a film based on a Luftwaffe pilot Franz von Werra who repeatedly tried to escape

http://www.bbm.org.uk/GrizedaleHall.htm

Arguably the most important prisoner was Otto Kretschmer who was also the Camp Commandant during his time there.

Here is the story of probably the worst decision he made whilst in captivity: (from the book They Call It U-Boat Hotel by Simon Crump)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9573/1016wj.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5514/1017ll.jpg
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7175/1018ne.jpg
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/5827/1019e.jpg

And last but not least, congratulations to Dowly who got there first....just :DL

Well done mate :up:

Oberon 10-11-10 08:41 AM
I once read a story, based on a uboat crew who had been captured, and they were held at a country house, this was probably it.

Ah, yes, here we are...thank you once again uboat.net:

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U-700

by - Follett, James
1992, Mandarin
ISBN 0750504676
Novelization of the capture of U-570 and the attempt of the IWO to sink the surrendered vessel after his escape from a prison camp. Otto Kretschmer plays a part in the story as well.
A fairly good read. :yep:

Jimbuna 10-11-10 01:02 PM
What I found strange was the fact that Grizedale Hall was not mentioned on the map nor did the local tourist board have any information leaflets/pamphlets on the subject. All I could ascertain from them was a confirmation that Grizedale Forest had the remains of a derelict country manor located within it.

I spoke to an elderly couple in a local bar and they confirmed what I was looking for and for what purpose it was used for during WWII.

The rest is history, as they say.

TarJak 10-11-10 09:45 PM
Nice pics and thanks for sharing Jim.

Sailor Steve 10-11-10 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1512550)
No, Nelson gave that speech from his family's home in Stratford-upon-Avon in 1225. The prelude to that speech became the foundation of the Magna Carta.
Wait, I'm confused.

Willie Nelson gave a speech?

krashkart 10-12-10 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1513223)
Wait, I'm confused.

Willie Nelson gave a speech?

I thought he meant 'Mandela, Nelson'. That guy gave a lot of speeches about Willie Nelson. :hmmm:

Sailor Steve 10-12-10 12:02 AM
But can he yodel?

krashkart 10-12-10 12:05 AM
Almost certain he can't yodel, but he does know how to make a mean omelet.

Sailor Steve 10-12-10 12:06 AM
I prefer polite omelets.

Sorry.

Jimbuna 10-12-10 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1513159)
Nice pics and thanks for sharing Jim.
No prob mate, I just wish there had been more of the building left to show.

I purchased the book by Simon Crump 'They Call It U-BoatHotel' and that contains a few pictures of the interior splendour the prisoners enjoyed but what fascinated me most were the copies of the reports from visits made by the IRC as well as those from the War Office and the prisoner roll calls and list of goods they were able to purchase whilst incarcerated.

Herr-Berbunch 10-12-10 05:48 AM
I've read a book on von Werra's escape(s), a jolly good read. I'm sure the author had been to Grizedale Hall and it was still standing with prisoner's doodles on the walls in some areas? Unless it's a pre-'55 book, which is likely :DL

I've been in that area a lot (not alot :D) but have only seen the Go Ape signs. It's a real shame, again, that something historically important has disappeared :nope:

Jimbuna 10-12-10 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1513318)
I've read a book on von Werra's escape(s), a jolly good read. I'm sure the author had been to Grizedale Hall and it was still standing with prisoner's doodles on the walls in some areas? Unless it's a pre-'55 book, which is likely :DL

I've been in that area a lot (not alot :D) but have only seen the Go Ape signs. It's a real shame, again, that something historically important has disappeared :nope:
Quite...Grizedale Hall was a forty-room stone mansion built in Edwardian gothic mocktudor style and set amongst mature trees and landscaped gardens...it fitted right in to the English Lakeland idyll.

These days it would have made the perfect home for a lottery winner or an ideal exclusive holiday retreat.

TarJak 10-12-10 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1513382)
Quite...Grizedale Hall was a forty-room stone mansion built in Edwardian gothic mocktudor style and set amongst mature trees and landscaped gardens...it fitted right in to the English Lakeland idyll.

These days it would have made the perfect home for a lottery winner or an ideal exclusive holiday retreat.
So when do you move in?:O:

August 10-13-10 09:37 AM
Bunch of heathens. This is the real Nelsons statue in Traffic Square!

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/nelson-bobble-7.jpg

mako88sb 10-13-10 10:22 AM
Very interesting post Jimbuna. I'll have to track down that movie about Franz von Werra. I see it stars Hardy Kruger. Can't go wrong with him as lead actor.
Maybe they should of transferred Von Werra to one of the pow camps about an 1 1/2 hr drive from my house in Kananaskis. Here's a link to why he might of met his match:

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat..../Number/961997


Of course, with such a character, they might of felt he would of been too high of a escape risk during the transfer process.


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