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VONHARRIS 09-15-10 12:08 PM

There is no chance to sink a BB with just a 88mm deck gun. A single shot of the 16 in guns of this monster will tear the sub apart even in the stock version not to mention with GWX. There , and at this close range your sub will be filled with 16in holes and you will end up as fish food. I have never tried this even with stock version only. It must have been a bug there.
Amazing : Mexican stand off between a sub and a BB! Wow!!

K-61 09-15-10 12:28 PM

Von Harris, welcome to SubSim. Recognize me?

JokerOfFate 09-15-10 12:31 PM

I disabled him at long range then closed in and GWX makes it easier you're weaker but so is he.

Svendog I use a gender code, Warships are male and merchants are female

longam 09-15-10 01:04 PM

Gawd, those graphics are terrible. :O:

JokerOfFate 09-15-10 01:31 PM

"So, by all means continue to rape the OP for bragging etc but don't base your reasoning on a falsehood."

I'm not bragging, I said about it and people asked for proof so here we are. To be honest I don't want to keep repeating this either so I'll gladly drop it if everyone else will.

david-dutch 09-15-10 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JokerOfFate (Post 1491645)
I just disabled his guns and ship, moving in.

Taking out small guns with flak

I thought it was impossible to destroy enemy ship guns in sh3/4. Is that just the case for merchants or did I misunderstand something?

JokerOfFate 09-15-10 01:37 PM

On detroyers and merchants you can.
But on Battleships you can only temp. disable them

VONHARRIS 09-15-10 01:52 PM

Hello K - 61 Yes , I recognized you.

david-dutch 09-15-10 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JokerOfFate (Post 1493945)
On detroyers and merchants you can.
But on Battleships you can only temp. disable them

Ah, I see. I think I'll maintain my usual stance of caution in the presence of armed ships regardless - I've made it to mid-41 so far. Thanks

Tessa 09-15-10 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VONHARRIS (Post 1493866)
There is no chance to sink a BB with just a 88mm deck gun. A single shot of the 16 in guns of this monster will tear the sub apart even in the stock version not to mention with GWX. There , and at this close range your sub will be filled with 16in holes and you will end up as fish food. I have never tried this even with stock version only. It must have been a bug there.
Amazing : Mexican stand off between a sub and a BB! Wow!!

The 16 inch guns typically have very poor aim, haven't been hit by one in a situation where I was surfaced near a battleship. Its all the small faster ones that have near machine gun speed that tear your boat apart 99% of the time.

Sailor Steve 09-15-10 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tessa (Post 1494437)
The 16 inch guns typically have very poor aim, haven't been hit by one in a situation where I was surfaced near a battleship. Its all the small faster ones that have near machine gun speed that tear your boat apart 99% of the time.

As it was in real life. They wouldn't waste a shell that expensive on a submarine.

fastfed 09-15-10 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1494458)
As it was in real life. They wouldn't waste a shell that expensive on a submarine.


Highly doubt that.. I don't even know if the situation ever happened..
But I will take a bet that, during WW2 if a Battle ship saw a submarine, it would take the shot! with all guns!

K-61 09-16-10 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tessa (Post 1494437)
The 16 inch guns typically have very poor aim, haven't been hit by one in a situation where I was surfaced near a battleship. Its all the small faster ones that have near machine gun speed that tear your boat apart 99% of the time.

Tell me about it! I got torn up by one before I even had time to crash dive. I was surfaced in murky weather and "bumped" into it. For details see my thread, "I got killed by a BB." Battleships have guns of different calibers; those 16 inchers are reserved for targets that need them. A 4 inch gun is perfectly adequate for turning a U-boat into a lump of scrap metal sitting on the seafloor.

Edit: I am highly amused by my new "Stinking drunk in Trinidad" avatar, as in real life I do not drink.

JokerOfFate 09-16-10 10:27 AM

I agree with fastfed on this one, Uboats were feared by all ships and every navy hated them due to the amount of lives lost to them.

K-61 09-16-10 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JokerOfFate (Post 1494791)
I agree with fastfed on this one, Uboats were feared by all ships and every navy hated them due to the amount of lives lost to them.

Agreed. Escorts and merchantmen took every opportunity to ram one when spotted. This was both emotional and practical. Who wouldn't want to ram one of those elusive ship killers? At the same time, ramming a surfaced or broached U-boat was practical as it might dive again at any time. Ramming was a very effective tactic and any damage incurred by he ramming vessel was considered worth it. But at the end of the episode, cooler heads usually prevailed and efforts were made to rescue survivors. But not always.

Sailor Steve 09-16-10 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfed (Post 1494461)
Highly doubt that.. I don't even know if the situation ever happened..
But I will take a bet that, during WW2 if a Battle ship saw a submarine, it would take the shot! with all guns!

And you would lose that bet. A battleship is armed with 'secondary' batteries specifically to protect them from destroyers and the like. They have a very limited amount of large shells, and they didn't waste them on small targets. An Iowa class battleship could fire the 16" guns at a rate of about two per minute, and they carried 20 5" guns that could fire about 10 shells per minute, would be just as effective against a small target and a whole lot cheaper. It would be like your u-boat shooting at a guy swimming in the water with your deck gun.

There was one exception - USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit.

reignofdeath 09-16-10 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1494931)
And you would lose that bet. A battleship is armed with 'secondary' batteries specifically to protect them from destroyers and the like. They have a very limited amount of large shells, and they didn't waste them on small targets. An Iowa class battleship could fire the 16" guns at a rate of about two per minute, and they carried 20 5" guns that could fire about 10 shells per minute, would be just as effective against a small target and a whole lot cheaper. It would be like your u-boat shooting at a guy swimming in the water with your deck gun.

There was one exception - USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit.

I always saw any battleships role as pure unadulturated power and range. Sticking to the motto of reaching out and touching some one before they can come close to you.. but with a ton more firepower.

desirableroasted 09-16-10 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1494931)
USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit.

I've been shot at by BB's three times in the game (three stupid mistakes that I shall not repeat), twice by Hood, once by Nelson. While I wasn't a detached observer, it seems to me that while they turned their big guns to bear, they didn't shoot them. Just the small stuff (which is big enough).

So I wonder if they ever shoot them in the game? I know they wouldn't in real life.

Tessa 09-17-10 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1494931)
And you would lose that bet. A battleship is armed with 'secondary' batteries specifically to protect them from destroyers and the like. They have a very limited amount of large shells, and they didn't waste them on small targets. An Iowa class battleship could fire the 16" guns at a rate of about two per minute, and they carried 20 5" guns that could fire about 10 shells per minute, would be just as effective against a small target and a whole lot cheaper. It would be like your u-boat shooting at a guy swimming in the water with your deck gun.

There was one exception - USS Iowa and New Jersey tried to sink the Japanese destroyer Nowaki with their 16" guns, but the range was in excess of 35,000 yards, far outside the range of the 5" guns. Also, they didn't score a single hit.


Shooting a shell the size of a Volkswagen at a U-Boat would have been extreme massive overkill. Only kind of scenario that I could think that any ship captain might even think about using all batteries is if one of the original u-boat aces had stayed in the war for the duration of the war or far into the war and (irl) racked up 500,000 tons or more, and then only if he didn't something like Von Ricktofen and paint his submarine red. Unless the target was something of massively high value, 5" guns are plenty nasty enough to euthanize your crew. Heck, even the flak guns would've probably been enough if they could aim them at a negative camber (don't think they're able to though?).

Jimbuna 09-17-10 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by desirableroasted (Post 1495139)
I've been shot at by BB's three times in the game (three stupid mistakes that I shall not repeat), twice by Hood, once by Nelson. While I wasn't a detached observer, it seems to me that while they turned their big guns to bear, they didn't shoot them. Just the small stuff (which is big enough).

So I wonder if they ever shoot them in the game? I know they wouldn't in real life.

They certainly do ingame but as Steve has already correctly stated, it would be extremely rare in RL unless they were engaging something in the region of a cruiser or bigger.

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