My first thought was of course that such a link is gonna be World Net Daily type crazy. But while that site is pretty crazy, a quick "reality check" shows that there is a base truth they started with.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11748817
^^^ don't take out any wrath on me, write the PO, Dr. Hussain.

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...14460110100928
^^^ this article links the practice of consanguinity with low education, and suggests that might be a way to correct the problem.

http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdatau...005bbc_407.pdf

This wiki article is actually decent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage

There are many more links you can find to studies. (I only looked at those that discussed real papers)

One of the well known results are the quadrupedal families in Turkey.


http://cellar.org/2006/quadrupedpeople.jpg

Correct. Ask ten different psychologists on what intelligence is, and you will get ten answers putting emphasis on ten different aspects of the "phenomeneon". There might be overlapping parts of definitions, but no consensus on one generally valid definition. I also wonder if there really is some like totally culture-free IQ-tests possible. You can reduce the dependency on culture-typical content, but you cannot erase culture completely from any such tests. It is a running gag at univetsity that intelligence is what an IQ test is measuring. But I learned that the joke holds more truth than just irony of self-feedbacking reflection.

However, intelliegence niveaus also have a social and cultural condensate. Some psychologists say intelligence is the ability to adapt to the needs of a given envrionment in order to ensure survival inside of it. That may be one aspect. But that does not change the fact that when you have an epidemic outbreak in north Africa, you do not call theAnzar university in Cairo, but the disease ciontrol centre in Atlanta, infidel US. If you want to introduce computer networks in the ME, you take technology and expert knowledge made in infidel West. the intellectual discourse on inter-cultural comparisons is dominated by analysis and the eacdemic work of infidel western academics, the vast majority of satellites in global orbits are made in infidel West or are copied from models developed on basis of wetsern infidel technology, and the infidel state of Jewish Israel (Allah's revenge may come upon them) shows what in the envrionment most Araba and muslim states share with the Jews is possible in ecology, agriculture, economy, technolgxy and science of you refer not to the treasure-chest of Islamic education, but infidel Western cultural heritage and Jewish cleverness.

Yes, Jewish cleverness - I indeed think that the Jewish people somewhat are smarter in adaptation techniques and intellectualism than other people. Maybe it has somethign to do with the fact that they have been persecuted since so long - that making them to need to adopt survival techniques that led to a cleverness of theirs that i return made their persecutors hate them even more: now for their perceived greater cleverness. In the list of cultural and acedemic and economic-financial experts, they are statristically overrepresented - more than any other subgroup (different from mere nationality). The massive jewish influence on the cultural life of european societies in the past 2 or 3 hundred years, cannot be overseen - especially in German, which makes the drama of the Third Reich even more tragic. Without Jewish artists, the cultural life in Germany before hitler would not have been what it was - and for some time in the 20s, it was the navel of Europe, and even competing with America (where Jewish artists also were very present).

It is politially correct to claim that all people and all cultures are equal, and all people are born with the same potentials. All that may be politically correct, and in conformity with especially left-oriented political dogmas . But I am convinced for several very different reasons, some of which I mentioned, that it simply is not true.

Are you surprised?


You mean 1400 years of widespread inbreeding across a wide area of the globe has resulted in one Kurdish family.:doh:

Is that another skybird myth?
Its not surprising you are so confused:rotfl2:

Ugh. Just when I thought GT couldn't possibly get lower, here comes that good old genetics rhetoric. Nothing quite like it to make us "white" people feel better about ourselves, huh. Nothing quite like it to make another step towards dehumanising a threat (whether real or imagined). I note an ironic socialist "we must do this for the health and benefit of our society" conclusion there. Uh-huh. And now we begin to see the convergence of the "socialist" with the "nationalist". Like we didn't see that one play out to its logical conclusion before.
:yawn:

And I keep asking - what's the solution? You guys are very good at toeing that line. You accuse others of political correctness, but the fact is that you yourself are the ultimate masters of political correctness, because you never say what you really mean to be the solution to the "Muslim problem". Because that'd immediately discredit you politically, and that's that - if you follow this logic to the ultimate conclusion, there is no other way around it. A billion and a half people you'd rather not exist, or at least you'd rather not count as people. So what's the answer...? And that's what makes your entire rhetoric on this topic morally and otherwise void.

I see this more as a cultural issue not racial but can you say that we can just pass genetics in every discussion.
If there are real negative effects on other people living in the same society we have the right to find the underlying reasons.

Do you see that the article is totally wrong?

You mean the Ulas family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulas_family
That is one Kirdish family - and there appears to be no evidence which confirms their condition is caused by imbreeding either.

So... is that best example you can provide?

I think they found the reason why Middle easterners learn so well when exposed to Western Culture: Its the language!

Your accusation is heavy, i dont think anyone here is promoting killing all muslims. But many probably would be ready create restrictions and laws to preserve our own cultural sphere and heritage.

Your own link says there are other known cases.

You know the family is inbred in more than one generation?
You dont think it might have some effect?

That cant be true as it was discovered by the evil jewish scientists.:know:

http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html

I had no idea that xenophobia was so widespread in Europe.

How is your melting pot working today?
Founding fathers must be turning in their graves.

The melting pot actually works pretty well. We only really get in trouble when people opt instead for "multiculturalism"—I'd prefer the term "balkanization."

"minority" groups are actually pretty well integrated here in the US, even Muslims are less radical here, even if a disturbing % hold very non-mainstream views.

E pluribus unum has been one of our nation's greatest strengths and, evidently, one of your greatest fears.

Must be all the foreign invasions. We have had only the one here... :hmmm:

Actually, I think it is due to the fact that the United States is a nation of immigrants. Culturally, we are more accepting of the outsider, as we are more parts of a whole than a homogeneous population. More to the point, I find the underlying message of the article and the attitude displayed by some here to be particularly disgusting. When did SubSim become a platform for overt hatred?

You might have less problems or not but its clear that you also have problems with immigration today.
The hispanics and muslims have large portions that seem to not want to integrate.

I just dont accept when these xenophobe and nazi labels start here.

I have friends with different backrounds, estonian, russian, kurd, chinese, vietnamese, nigerian.
All have have had the will to integrate to the same values but still preserve some of their own cultural heritage.

Im actually dating a woman with vietnamese backround and she is more open in voicing her concern about the problems in immigration than most.

Exactly one month before September 11, 2001, we flew into JFK from Casablanca on our way home after spending a few weeks in Morocco (we stopped for a week in CT with my parents before heading back to New Mexico). I helped a Moroccan kid (around 20 YO) with his immigration form on the plane, and even gave him my window seat so he could see NYC as we flew over. In retrospect his story about going to college in the US was suspect given he wasn't sure where he was going after he landed (mid-august if he was attending, he'd already be registered), but at the time I had no thoughts about it.

I remember saying to my wife in the customs line that it was cool that you could not tell the "US Citizens" line from the non-citizens line.

I still think this is true. That said, I think immigrants should do their level best to integrate into our society. If they fail to meet this minimal requirement, I have no real problem with treating them differently than "regular" Americans. Regular simply meaning people that are trying to be Americans—regardless of their origins.

OT to the "inbreeding" thing, obviously.

On topic, if having kids with relatives has some negative biological consequences (it does), then the fact (it is a fact) that certain muslim areas have very high rates of such births is certainly a health issue. It's obviously a cultural thing, unless the religion actually suggests it explicitly. The practice is old, and exists in other cultures, but has decreased over time. It might be that muslims tend to have not abandoned it because perhaps it is mentioned in the koran or hadith (not commanded, just a historical reality of the period of Muhammad). They culturally do have a tendency to allow stuff that was OK back in the day for that reason (look at the late date of eliminating slavery in the ME (late 1960s!).

The United States has an enormous illegal immigration problem. Personally, I think they are criminals and should be labeled as such. However, I don't believe in reverting to using eugenics to label them as sub-human.