Don't have to be waterboarded to know if it's torture or not.Do you know what the definition of torture is? The definition of torture is:: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure)

Water boarding only simulates drowning, it installs fear but the person is not in real danger.Pleasant? no Effective? yes torture? no

Also have to look at how waterboarding is done by the US.They strap them to a board, put a hood over their head and pour water on them.I endured worse hazing in during pledge week, give me a break.Nazi's used waterboarding but in a much more dangerous form.I do recall reading they would strap someone to a board and have it mounted in a seesaw fashion with a large tub of water at the end where the subjects head was located, would ask a question then take their weight off the board and allow the subjects head to become submerged for a period of time then bring them back out then after barely catching their breath, they were submerged again.Now I agree this is torture and puts the subject in real danger.

The US method is waterboarding light and as said, I endured worse during pledge week in my freshman year, so lets stop whining for scumbag terrorists shall we?

Bubblehead, just one question.
What planet are you on?

I voted for McCain because I knew he was only one who could likely beat Obama.I dislike Palin and would love to see Ron Paul as President, although I disagree with his foreign policy views for most part.did not vote for Paul because he had no chance and didnt want to take away from mccain.

That's not a nice thing to say about the 2012 Republican nominee...:D

Something like this. What is sauce for the goose must be sauce for the gander, too.

:dead:

And when I cut your throat then that is no murder. It may even work, so - lean your head back!

i am not debating torture yes/no here. just wanting to say that administering simulated agony and provoking according physical reflexes and reactions by the body [violent, brutal, harsh, spasmic reactions, btw.) sure as hell is torture not different to beating, cutting limbs of and electroshocks. If you do not believe me, ask some friends to press your head under water until you almost fade out. You will be amazed what your body will give you in sensations and agony. If you are male, you might even get an erection. That'S why some people consider waterboarding to ba a gay practice.

Waterboarding just lacks the splatter fx, it just is a cup of water spilled in your face, isn't it, it even is not much water, and that's why simple minds consider it to be harmless and tame. If it would be tame, I wonder why there can be reports then claiming that it is "effective". Did the subject suddenly discover it's sense of humour and decided to cooperate before it laughs itself to death?

/facepalm

And this is a Texan's answer to this article :D

" ... TexasJack says:
9 hours, 8 minutes ago


" ... My evangilical friends see Brock Obama as the third coming of the anti-Christ prophesized in the Bible. Meanwhile some of us caught in the expanse of our societal downward spiral see President-44 as the leader of a nat'l socialist movement reminescent of that that brought the world to war in 1939.
Reading ''Dreams of My Father'' autobiography of Mr. O resurrects the same emotions of Heir H's ''Mein Kampf'' where both men pursue a blame game on others. In Adolf's time, it was the Jews who got blamed for everything wrong in Germany. It Brock's time, a day does not go by without him spewing his BIOB (blame it on bush) mentality. Like AH, BO is a divider not a uniter. Our nation needs a leader who will bring the nation under a common goal -- bring it out of the great recession, make is prosperous again. Where that leader will come from is still unknown but one thing is certain, it's not going to happen under Brock Hussein Obama. ..."
:haha::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

OMG i am really happy that those religious weirdos packed and left back then for the to-become US, beginning with the "Mayflower".

What the US right wing-Nazi-KKK-NRA-locust capitalist press needs is a direct slap in the face, for de-stabilizing the country and mess around with the elected President of the United States.
Or take the southern states, re-institute slavery, build a high wall around it and make them elect their own president Jefferson re-incarnation. But please leave the rest of the world alone with this utter bullsh!t. I will gladly give them Bavaria, our politicians and lobbyists as a free giveaway :yep:

Greetings,
Catfish

Well, this is an American based forum.:03:

As a result, us Euro's do get to see the Americans on this forum put forth their views on their country's political process, arguably ad nauseum!

As for the UK, Tony Blair's memoirs were published today, and there hasn't been a thread made on it. Something I'm rather glad of, as I've been avoiding the news as much as I can!!!

Mike.:up:

see here (although again with a US twist :D):

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=174395

I imagine it's pretty sad and pathetic to watch. As a people, we are a rabid, foaming at the mouth, irrational, and polarized lot when it comes to politics.

I don't think you can compare some college intitiation rituals with torture. During these rituals you have in mind that the "torture" is limited in duration as well as in it's intensity. As a prisoner you don't have this privilege.
If you are so sure that waterboarding is less intense than your pledge week, I can only recommend to try it out. Just make sure your head is upside down and that you cannot move. If you still say it is no torture after this, then you have my deepest respect.

You mention the primary definition while conveniently ignoring secondary definitions one of which is "Extreme anguish of body or mind."

It instills fear because the subject doesn't know that he's not going to drown. In times of extreme stress the mind loses control and the subject has no real awareness of anything but extreme anguish.

And were you at any point convinced you were indeed going to die? Student's have died during hazing, which is why certain practices are no longer allowed. If such treatment is acceptable then why are police forbidden to use the practice of holding a suspect's head underwater until he loses his breath, thus instilling the fear of drowning.

Yes, it is indeed torture.

My argument isn't really with what you believe, in spirit. My argument is with your constant attitude that you know everything. As I've said before, if you know everything you have no room left to learn anything. I'm only trying to make you understand that you could be wrong.


Which is relavent how? Somebody else did something worse, so that makes it okay?

And there's that attitude again, and that word again. I'm not whining for anyone, but if you're no better than them then what's the point?

Back to the article:

Well, isn't this a point which one could use as an argument everytime someone has a reason of conscience to disagree with the politics of the country? Pacifists could argue they get alienated by spending money for the military, enviromentalists by spending money for highways, smokers by spending money for the ATF ;)
So everyone who is unhappy with the distribution of taxes could start a "cultural civil war" - I just love this word creation...

I would be glad to decide what my taxes are used for, at least if I had some options, however I don't think it is feasible.

Is there any space left in Canada? I feel like moving after that, just to get away from idiots who would publish such garbage in a major newspaper...

You can have Kuhners old place as he is from Montreal.
Its not like its his first piece of garbage though , just look at some of the crazy trash he put out when he was with the Moonies.

Sillyness. Besides bush did much worse and skated by.

I read the quote on that article and OMG what a rubbish and it could get printed to the one of the largest newspaper in the country...

They also fail to mention that abortion is a completely legal medical procedure in this country.