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August 08-30-10 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1 (Post 1481227)
I wouldn't call him a master politician. He was the best pick of the worst. I don't think he could have evaded that question. If he did people would be howling that he was for it by being silent.
Curious, what would you have said if you sat in that honored seat?

Good question. I'm no politician and probably would have quickly inserted my foot into my mouth but I would have liked to have said something like what Boehner said:

"The fact that someone has the right to do something doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do. This is not an issue of law, whether religious freedom or local zoning. This is a basic issue of respect for a tragic moment in our history."

bradclark1 08-30-10 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1481234)
"The fact that someone has the right to do something doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do. This is not an issue of law, whether religious freedom or local zoning. This is a basic issue of respect for a tragic moment in our history."

He couldn't say that because it's still picking a side. Various middle eastern groups would throw a fit. Touchy situation to get out of.
I'm wondering if they could even get a construction crew to take the job. They'd have to get an answering machine to take all the bomb threats.

Bubblehead1980 08-30-10 04:35 PM

Obama should have said what Boehner did but that would be expecting too much from Obama because it's obvious where his loyalties are at.I don't believe Obama is a muslim but do believe his muslim backround mixed with his bleeding heart liberalism causes him to hold views that are contrary to the interests of the United States when it comes to dealing with Islam.Obvious examples are his regime refuses to use terms like radical muslim or the term war on terror.Let us not forge the apology tour,bowing to the saudi king etc etc etc Premier Obama is trying to cater to these people because he feels connected to them and disregards the majority of American's feelings as he always does.

Bubblehead1980 08-30-10 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1 (Post 1481261)
He couldn't say that because it's still picking a side. Various middle eastern groups would throw a fit. Touchy situation to get out of.
I'm wondering if they could even get a construction crew to take the job. They'd have to get an answering machine to take all the bomb threats.


So let the groups throw a fit, we should not cater to these people.

bradclark1 08-30-10 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1481300)
So let the groups throw a fit, we should not cater to these people.

When you are the worlds only super power and have as many fingers as we have in the pie comes with a responsibility like it or not. The middle east matters and and we need all the help we can get for the war on terror even though we have to guard our back from said friendlies. Politics suck.

bradclark1 08-30-10 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1481297)
Obama should have said what Boehner did but that would be expecting too much from Obama because it's obvious where his loyalties are at.I don't believe Obama is a muslim but do believe his muslim backround mixed with his bleeding heart liberalism causes him to hold views that are contrary to the interests of the United States when it comes to dealing with Islam.Obvious examples are his regime refuses to use terms like radical muslim or the term war on terror.Let us not forge the apology tour,bowing to the saudi king etc etc etc Premier Obama is trying to cater to these people because he feels connected to them and disregards the majority of American's feelings as he always does.

Do you look under the bed when you go to sleep. :DL
I don't think I ever heard Bush or any of his group use terms like radical muslim or radical Islam either so was he catering? What does Obama call the war on terror? Can't say I paid that much attention. I also don't see him catering to these people. How does he do it?

August 08-30-10 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1 (Post 1481332)
When you are the worlds only super power and have as many fingers as we have in the pie comes with a responsibility like it or not. The middle east matters and and we need all the help we can get for the war on terror even though we have to guard our back from said friendlies. Politics suck.


You're absolutely right about Obama being damned either way but the way I see it, right or wrong, a US President should always be seen as being on the side of the American people, regardless of how many foreign groups that may irritate. What the President said may have been intended to play well in Saudi Arabia but it has cost him here at home.

V.C. Sniper 08-30-10 06:11 PM

Will her ignore Thorium also?

Platapus 08-30-10 06:49 PM

I did not know I had so much in common with President Obama. I ignore Glen Beck too. :yeah:

bradclark1 08-30-10 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1481351)
You're absolutely right about Obama being damned either way but the way I see it, right or wrong, a US President should always be seen as being on the side of the American people, regardless of how many foreign groups that may irritate. What the President said may have been intended to play well in Saudi Arabia but it has cost him here at home.

Edit: He is on the side of the American people. He's backed by something called the Constitution of the United States of America. You surely can't suggest that he goes against it are you?

This is where he expanded on his statement
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Originally Posted by Obama
"I think my statement at the Iftar dinner in the White House was very clear. And that is -- is that if you can build a church on that site, if you can build a synagogue on that site or a Hindu Temple on that site, then we can't treat people of the Islamic faith differently, who are Americans, who are American citizens," he said.

Which is a true statement however distasteful it may be. The obvious trick is finding a way to block it after the NY counsel voted for it.

Tribesman 08-30-10 07:37 PM

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I did not know I had so much in common with President Obama. I ignore Glen Beck too.
You don't know what you are missing, Glenn beck is brilliant entertainment, its a bit of a toss up who is funnier him or O'reilly but both make me laugh, its amazing how they can put out such classic material and keep a straight face, true professionals who do the best parody of a unhinged wingnut in the world.

AVGWarhawk 08-30-10 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1481449)
You don't know what you are missing, Glenn beck is brilliant entertainment, its a bit of a toss up who is funnier him or O'reilly but both make me laugh, its amazing how they can put out such classic material and keep a straight face, true professionals who do the best parody of a unhinged wingnut in the world.


Truth be told these two get boring in about 5 minutes. There is plenty of other entertaining shows on TV. I'm partial to Sponge Bob myself.

August 08-30-10 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1 (Post 1481444)
Edit: He is on the side of the American people. He's backed by something called the Constitution of the United States of America. You surely can't suggest that he goes against it are you?

I didn't suggest anything like that but at least to me he sure hasn't given he any indication that he's on anyones side besides his own.

Platapus 08-30-10 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1481449)
You don't know what you are missing, Glenn beck is brilliant entertainment, its a bit of a toss up who is funnier him or O'reilly but both make me laugh, its amazing how they can put out such classic material and keep a straight face, true professionals who do the best parody of a unhinged wingnut in the world.


I could tolerate him when he first went on CNN. But he quickly got boring.

I just don't understand his following. He has zero education in political analysis and zero experience in political analysis. He is an entertainer who has an opinion (one that seems to change with the marketability). But evidently there are those who look upon him as some pundit of politics. :nope:. Why would I care about an opinion of an uneducated, inexpereinced entertainer?

I just don't get it. :06:

August 08-30-10 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1481468)
I could tolerate him when he first went on CNN. But he quickly got boring.

I just don't understand his following. He has zero education in political analysis and zero experience in political analysis. He is an entertainer who has an opinion (one that seems to change with the marketability). But evidently there are those who look upon him as some pundit of politics. :nope:. Why would I care about an opinion of an uneducated, inexpereinced entertainer?

I just don't get it. :06:

I don't think he'd be half as popular if the Democrats didn't keep talking about him.

UnderseaLcpl 08-30-10 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1481468)
I could tolerate him when he first went on CNN. But he quickly got boring.

Same here.

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I just don't understand his following. He has zero education in political analysis and zero experience in political analysis. He is an entertainer who has an opinion (one that seems to change with the marketability). But evidently there are those who look upon him as some pundit of politics. :nope:. Why would I care about an opinion of an uneducated, inexpereinced entertainer?
Well you probably wouldn't because you give thought to such things but there are enough people that don't to generate an audience large enough for his show to be successful. And of course, what he does isn't that hard. He pretty much just says what his demographic wants to hear.

Bubblehead1980 08-30-10 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1 (Post 1481340)
Do you look under the bed when you go to sleep. :DL
I don't think I ever heard Bush or any of his group use terms like radical muslim or radical Islam either so was he catering? What does Obama call the war on terror? Can't say I paid that much attention. I also don't see him catering to these people. How does he do it?


Oh I recall hearing Bush Admin using "radical islam" "radical muslims" etc and saying war on terror.I remember reports on not only Fox news but pro Obama MSNBC etc that a memo via email had been sent around by Obama's people to not use the phrase "war on terror" but to use
"overseas contingency operations" instead.Not sure if it was same email or another but terms such as radical islam etc were ordered to not be used either.

Obama caters to muslims this way as well as taking their side in the mosque "thing" and tries to use the constitution he willingly pisses on when(health care mandate in obamacare etc) it suits him to make his argument.

No I do not look under the bed at night, I look in the closet:salute:

yubba 08-30-10 09:43 PM

A couple hundred thousand people decend on DC and he didn't notice, right. I guess lobster does make you stupid.

Tribesman 08-31-10 02:27 AM

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Well you probably wouldn't because you give thought to such things but there are enough people that don't to generate an audience large enough for his show to be successful.
So would it be fair to say that a very large proportion of his supporters on his rally were people who simply don't think.


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Oh I recall hearing Bush Admin using "radical islam" "radical muslims" etc and saying war on terror.I remember reports on not only Fox news but pro Obama MSNBC etc that a memo via email had been sent around by Obama's people to not use the phrase "war on terror" but to use
"overseas contingency operations" instead
People who think will understand that phrase "war on terror" was meaningless tripe which shouldn't have been coined in the first place.
As for not using the terms radical Muslims or radical Islam perhaps he is taking a lead from Bush who said these people were not muslims and were teaching a perversion of islam that ran counter to the core tenets of that faith and its teachings
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Obama caters to muslims this way as well as taking their side in the mosque "thing"
Oh dear , the Bush page at the white house on the problems following 9/11 says freedom of religion is guaranteed and mosques and islam are fine ....its an American thing you see, an American thing which some are seeking to destroy themselves just like Bin Laden would be dreaming of.

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A couple hundred thousand people decend on DC and he didn't notice, right. I guess lobster does make you stupid.
I hear he was too busy looking for secret killer comets from the hidden telescope at the south pole:rotfl2:

Tchocky 08-31-10 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1481472)
I don't think he'd be half as popular if the Democrats didn't keep talking about him.

Certainly. But sometimes it takes a hell of an effort not to say anything :DL
I know I'm being played, but still!


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