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SteamWake 08-26-10 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1477939)
Are you kidding me? Neo-Conservatism has failed. It's why we have a Democratic majority in the house and senate and a Democrat in the White House all at the same time.

For the time being at least... Dont forget their popularity is plunging sharpley.

Besides from what I understand this rally is not really meant to be political in nature. Only time will tell.

As to Sharptons assembly they only decided to do that after they learned of Becks event. So shouldent they consider re-scheduling? But that would defeat their purpose.

Takeda Shingen 08-26-10 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1477965)
For the time being at least... Dont forget their popularity is plunging sharpley.

Besides from what I understand this rally is not really meant to be political in nature. Only time will tell.

As to Sharptons assembly they only decided to do that after they learned of Becks event. So shouldent they consider re-scheduling? But that would defeat their purpose.

Maybe it is political, maybe it isn't. Like you said, only time will tell. It does seem to me to be part of the continued power grab of the religious right, much like in the wake of George H. W. Bush's defeat in 1992. In any case, I think the rally will be a non-event in terms of fireworks. He'll get his crowd, and probably a good-sized one. However, he'll proselytize, crowds will cheer, Sharpton will do his thing, his crowds will cheer, and everyone will go home.

I could be wrong, though; it may end up being interesting after all.

Takeda Shingen 08-26-10 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl (Post 1477957)
Indeed they shouldn't, but they do, at least in sufficient numbers to be categorized as the "swing" vote. It's the natural result of a winner-takes-all system and a powerful government. Limited choice and concentrated power will always breed inefficiency, insufficiency, inequality, and dissatisfaction.

That's been my take on politics for about the last 15 years. I still belong to the Republican Party, but it is becoming a party that is increasingly distant from what it's stated ideals are, and overtly hostile to anyone who attempts to point that out.

Bubblehead1980 08-26-10 01:55 PM

I am not a big fan of Glenn Beck and rarely watch his program but the guy is not off his rocker.I believe Beck is an intelligent but not formally educated man who is driven in many aspects by his faith.Beck has an animated personality and has struck a chord with many people for sure. Beck does love the country and is very passionate.When did being passionate about something become a bad thing and qualify someone as crazy?

Beck went after Van Jones, showed clear evidence of his extremism and due to his hounding and exposure, essentially forced his resignation from the Obama Regime, er I mean Admin:o.Beck forced out the Mao loving Anita Dunn.Beck has exposed many others such as Cass Sunstein etc Beck has also brought many things to light about Obama etc that are not opinion but documented facts.

I hate to sit here and defend him as I am not a big fan but he's not crazy and is effective because he backs up what he speaks when exposing the dirty laundry, thus why he is reviled on the Left and by some on the Right.

As far as the rally goes, great for them and who cares if it's on the day of MLK's speech.That one day is not preserved just for MLK, even though he was a decent man and leader from what I can tell.Al Sharpton has done more to set back African Americans because he's just a racist fool and crook so he's not even worth discussing.

Tribesman 08-26-10 01:59 PM

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I am not a big fan of Glenn Beck and rarely watch his program but the guy is not off his rocker.
Its true, beck is not off his rocker, he is perfectly sane, he just pretends to be frothing at the mouth space cadet to cater for the tastes of elements of his audience.
I mean honestly if he really believed half of that rubbish he rants about he would have been certified years ago.

Bubblehead1980 08-26-10 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1478015)
That's been my take on politics for about the last 15 years. I still belong to the Republican Party, but it is becoming a party that is increasingly distant from what it's stated ideals are, and overtly hostile to anyone who attempts to point that out.


I too am a Republican but have been disappointed in the party for a long time due to all the RINO's and moderates like McCain, Graham etc.We need to offer clear difference to our leaders.We went wrong under Bush because he didn't stick to conservative principles and he was supposedly a Conservative Republican.November and 2012 will be about clear differences between candidates.What I love is the apathy among people in Republican party is gone.The Obama Regime has been bad for American but good in the sense that perhaps it is sparking another conservative revolution.

Bubblehead1980 08-26-10 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1478027)
Its true, beck is not off his rocker, he is perfectly sane, he just pretends to be frothing at the mouth space cadet to cater for the tastes of elements of his audience.
I mean honestly if he really believed half of that rubbish he rants about he would have been certified years ago.


well glad we can agree that he is not off his rocker.However, I don't think he is a hypocrite as youre suggesting.

AVGWarhawk 08-26-10 02:04 PM

I hope it sparks new faces and thoughts in DC.

Tribesman 08-26-10 02:06 PM

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well glad we can agree that he is not off his rocker.However, I don't think he is a hypocrite as youre suggesting.
Oh dear, so you think he believes all that crap he says....well that clearly makes him insane then.

Takeda Shingen 08-26-10 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1478030)
I too am a Republican but have been disappointed in the party for a long time due to all the RINO's and moderates like McCain, Graham etc.We need to offer clear difference to our leaders.We went wrong under Bush because he didn't stick to conservative principles and he was supposedly a Conservative Republican.November and 2012 will be about clear differences between candidates.What I love is the apathy among people in Republican party is gone.The Obama Regime has been bad for American but good in the sense that perhaps it is sparking another conservative revolution.

Then we are opposites of each other. I have watched the moral and religious right pull the party away from it's ideals of responsible government, fiscal solvency and prudence in foreign affairs in favor of the rights of the fetus, the continued ban on homosexual unions and the war against dangerous stem cells.

The Neo-Cons of the Bush Administration were the darlings of the far-right. To dispute that now would be revisionary. Since 1992, these people have abandoned the ideals of the Republican Party that my father introduced me to in favor of what I listed above. Were he alive today, he would likely not recognize this party.

Bubblehead1980 08-26-10 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1478039)
Then we are opposites of each other. I have watched the moral and religious right pull the party away from it's ideals of responsible government, fiscal solvency and prudence in foreign affairs in favor of the rights of the fetus, the continued ban on homosexual unions and the war against dangerous stem cells.

The Neo-Cons of the Bush Administration were the darlings of the far-right. To dispute that now would be revisionary. Since 1992, these people have abandoned the ideals of the Republican Party that my father introduced me to in favor of what I listed above. Were he alive today, he would likely not recognize this party.

Oh not disagreeing the religious nuts have hurt the party, I dislike them but they do help elect our candidates.I also agree that Bush and his people were the darlings once, I will admit I voted for him in 2004(couldnt vote in 2000) and don't regret it because he was still a better choice than John Kerry.

I believe our party learned the lesson of the Bush years and things will be different.

Platapus 08-26-10 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1477904)
Which is unfortunate because, if I recall correctly, he's more of a libertarian than a conservative.

I could be wrong on that number, though.

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1477908)
He's more of a social engineer than an economist, which is really the point of his whole rally. So, he's Neo-Con through and through. It cannot be overstated how much harm the talk radio crowd has done to American Conservatism.


I think he is an entertainer that will do anything for ratings. When he was on CNN he "acted" libertarian, when that fell through all of a sudden he turned conservative and went to fox. When fox dumps him he will change into anything the next station will pay him for.

Bubblehead1980 08-26-10 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1478061)
I think he is an entertainer that will do anything for ratings. When he was on CNN he "acted" libertarian, when that fell through all of a sudden he turned conservative and went to fox. When fox dumps him he will change into anything the next station will pay him for.

I never watched him on CNN but have heard many say he's basically the same except at CNN he didn't have the free reign he does at Fox.I mean it is Communist News Network after all:haha: CNN is actually kind of fair compared to MSNBC but does lean to left and has the most boring people except Jack Cafferty lol

Takeda Shingen 08-26-10 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1478061)
I think he is an entertainer that will do anything for ratings. When he was on CNN he "acted" libertarian, when that fell through all of a sudden he turned conservative and went to fox. When fox dumps him he will change into anything the next station will pay him for.

Hmm. There's always that to consider as well. It is true that these talk-show guys are marketing a brand in a business where controversy sells. People tune in to hear yelling, not agreement.

Ducimus 08-26-10 04:06 PM

All I care to say right now is that ALL these talk show guys (and gal) are NOT doing the republican's any favors. From my point of view, all they're doing is riling people up, and radicalizing them to the extreme far right, where the religious right dwells. That's a massive turn off to me. That and rhetoric.

Seems like all i ever hear from the republican's/right wing is rhetoric. So in so is a comunist/socialist. So in so did this, so in so did that. I really don't give a rats ass what so in so did. I want to know what YOUR going to do, and HOW you plan on doing it. I don't care for more rhetoric. From this laymans point of view who really doesnt care for either party, the republicans are fragmented, seemingly have no singular purpose or goal other then to gain back lost political power, spew vomit, and seem to be increasingly radicalized, and extreme, - which as i mentioned is a big turn off.

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To counter that , ill say that the left is too bleeding heart for me at times as well. But If i had to vote for a left or right candidate right now, knowing nothing of the candidate himself? Id lean left. Not because i agree with left wing policies, but because they sound the most sane.

Oberon 08-26-10 04:17 PM

The Right wings seem to get more air time, I don't know, maybe they're louder than the Left, but Ducimus is correct, the more radical right the standard middle ground people see, the more they will be pushed left of center.
Of course, it works both ways, but all I've seen is 'Obama bad this' 'Obama destroying that' 'Obama will be the doom of us all' and after a while it kinda stops going in, you know, like when the ground gets saturated with rain and it starts running off. People hear the same thing day in day out, they're going to stop listening to it. :hmmm:

mookiemookie 08-26-10 04:22 PM

Will there be commemorative Glenn Beck gold coins given away? :|\\

Alky 08-26-10 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1478027)
I mean honestly if he really believed half of that rubbish he rants about he would have been certified years ago.

What part of history is "rubbish"? Beck researches everything he "rants" about. Anyone is welcome to refute anything he says, but they can't. Not even the White House, he's had that red phone on his show and the WH knows the number, but they don't dispute anything either.

yubba 08-26-10 06:29 PM

can't argue with that.
 
The ones who don't want to hear the truth are the ones doin the stupid s--t, and what's wrong, believing in the constitution and following the rule of law. Liberalism = Socialism. If you aren't part of the solution , you're part of the problem. Check this 1 in 10 homes in foreclosure how about that for truth.

Rilder 08-26-10 06:52 PM

Glenn Beck is indeed a complete nutjob, unfortunately because he -famous- that means he can be as insane as he wants without getting thrown in a loony bin.


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