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Originally Posted by Schwieger (Post 1473945)

You guys know that I-29, I-168 and I-351 were sunk by American subs right? And that SS-226 was sunk by a Japanese submarine?

That should help flush out your list ;)

As has already been stated, there were dozens of subs sunk by other subs in WW2.
But in all but one case (U-864) the sub that was attacked was running on the surface.
U-864 was the only submerged sub torpedoed by another sub.
And even then, the only way HMS Venturer could track her well enough for a firing solution was because she was snorkelling.

The technology of the time was just not good enough for fully submerged sub v's sub combat.

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1471440)

No. The movies are just that, the movies, particuarlly when it comes to WW2 technology.

The only time a submarine is able to sink another submarine, in game, or in real life as far as WW2 goes, is when sub A is able to get detect, and approach undetected, Sub B. At which point Sub A will attack Sub B, like any other surfaced ship. If Sub B detects Sub A before it can attack and submerges, the fight is basically over.

Now, "just like what we see in the movies", ... U-571 comes to mind. Here's the problem with the submerged duel scene.

Our entreped hero's only know the attacking sub's relative bearing. It was a sonar contact only. As most here know, historically, attacking by sonar bearings alone didn't really work. What was missing was:
The other uboats:
- speed
- EXACT bearing,
- Angle on the bow, and relative course he was travelling.

On top of that, they'd also need one addtional piece of info.
-Depth.

In U571, they had not one piece of that information, other then a relative sound bearing. In the real world, there is no way those fish would have hit like they did in the movie.

but but but are you saying that the movie U-571 was not realistic????

:o