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SteamWake 08-18-10 09:01 AM

One thing that really jumped out at me was that it was pointed out to the teachers that some of the students will not know how to read or write cursive :o

Just what DO they teach in schools these days??

Sledgehammer427 08-18-10 09:31 AM

We were taught to write cursive in 4th grade here, but nobody seemed to care whether or not we used it. So my cursive disintegrated (I always took learning to write it as an insult anyways) and my "plain" writing improved. Another reason the teachers didn't care much, I'm guessing they were at the point they just wanted to be able to read what the students were writing.

As for school curricula...:shifty:

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 1470705)
bigger watch band, or watch belt, the leather/metal thing that goes around your wrist so the watch stays on. Take your girlfriends waist belt if there's nothing your size and improvise

Surely. Until you smash the crystal working on one of the tractors or what have you. My dad and I both have a history of doing such things.

Lord_magerius 08-18-10 09:44 AM

We suffer from the same problem Sledgehammer, I think the medical term for it is clumsybastarditis though more commonly known as "oh for f...." syndrome. :O:

krashkart 08-18-10 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1470545)
Yea but do you wear a wristwatch?

Remember when calculators were miniaturized enough to where they could fit into a wristwatch? Everybody had to have one of those. :haha:

Betonov 08-18-10 10:15 AM

They started teaching us english in 4th grade, german in 6th

papa_smurf 08-18-10 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif
Yea but do you wear a wristwatch?

Remember when calculators were miniaturized enough to where they could fit into a wristwatch? Everybody had to have one of those. :haha:
Unfortunately, I DO remember those.

TLAM Strike 08-18-10 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 1470876)
They started teaching us english in 4th grade, german in 6th

Unfortunately they have yet to begin teaching English over here... :O:

CCIP 08-18-10 05:22 PM

I may not be as old as some of you, but this gives me all the more reason to worry, seeing how unlike most in the thread my job is actually teaching these suckers :dead:

What frustrates me most, and is not really mentioned here, is two major attitude problems towards college education that you see in young students:

1) An education is a product. You have to get what you pay for.
2) College? More like High School 2.0

Both of make teaching these kids a real pain in the ass.

Platapus 08-18-10 07:29 PM

1992?

I was underground in Omaha Nebraska, going toe-to-toe with the Russkies in a never ending battle for truth, justice, or the American way (I gets confused sometimes). I was hunting what was euphemistically called "relocatable targets" back then. It was the most lethal game of hide and seek. :yeah:

Platapus 08-18-10 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1470825)
One thing that really jumped out at me was that it was pointed out to the teachers that some of the students will not know how to read or write cursive :o

Just what DO they teach in schools these days??


I think they teach keyboarding, which is a fancy term for what they called in my day "Typing".

How many of us old guys ever write in cursive? I know that I sometimes curse in my writing, but I can't remember the last time I ever wrote in cursive or a situation where it would be necessary to write in cursive.

Perhaps it is a good thing that this "technology" is being dropped?

frau kaleun 08-18-10 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1471349)
I think they teach keyboarding, which is a fancy term for what they called in my day "Typing".

How many of us old guys ever write in cursive? I know that I sometimes curse in my writing, but I can't remember the last time I ever wrote in cursive or a situation where it would be necessary to write in cursive.

Perhaps it is a good thing that this "technology" is being dropped?

We were still taught cursive through grade school when I was there... and I remained a fair writer in same, when I took the time to do it "right." But by the end of grade school I had developed my own handwriting style which was a mix of cursive and print, depending on which got stuff on the page faster. I expect a lot of people did the same. By high school pretty much everything that involved major amounts of writing had to be turned in as a typewritten document anyway. Writing by hand was pretty much limited to answers on tests and overnight homework.

Now with the advent of the personal computer, I can say with no hesitation that my handwriting has deteriorated to the point that I am perfectly capable of scribbling down something in a hurry that even I can't read if I come across it again after having forgotten what I was scribbling about in the first place. Consequently when I have to write a note out by hand - which happens lot at work, Post-its being a primary means of interoffice communication on various documents that have to pass from person to person to person to person and back again - I make myself write it out in (mostly) block letters to ensure that it's legible to anyone who has to read it.

SteamWake 08-18-10 09:44 PM

Kind of a shame really handwrighting is an art.

I used to work as a draftsmen before the days of autocad, one of the most sought out traits was 'lettering' the ability to hand wright text that could be read by all.

It took hours of study and years of practice to be even halfway decent.

To this day unless I am purposely 'lettering' my cursive is more legible than my block letters.

Kind of curious when you think about it how the computer has crushed an art form.

But how do kids take notes in class these days?

TLAM Strike 08-18-10 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1471425)
Kind of a shame really handwrighting is an art.

In the case of people like Frau Kaleun and me an abstract art. :03:

My hand writing is horrible, print or those squiggly letters for making 'yas mark. Both are indecipherable.

It is so bad that back in high school they had to let me use a computer to write out any essay questions on tests. Actually I got good at typing, and I plan on buying a laptop for note taking when I go back to school.

Sledgehammer427 08-18-10 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1471425)
But how do kids take notes in class these days?

OH! OHHH! I got this!

I slept. my mind is far more receptive to lessons when I'm not using it to be cynical.
When I actually took notes (between naps and walking from nap room to nap room...ehem, classroom..)
Note taking has become kind of an art form in itself. you get the time to read the powerpoint slide, then an equal amount of time, about 15-45 seconds, to write it all down. usually smashing a few words onto a couple lines in your notebook as quickly as possible.
I usually gave up and slept. I am a better reader/listener than I am a note taker.

razark 08-18-10 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1471425)
I used to work as a draftsmen before the days of autocad, one of the most sought out traits was 'lettering' the ability to hand wright text that could be read by all.

It took hours of study and years of practice to be even halfway decent.

The office I work in shares space with the department that maintains the engineering drawings for all buildings on site, as well as a large amount of other hardware (it's amazing what can be considered a drawing, sometimes). One day when I had not much else to do, I opened up one of their drawers, pulled out a stack of early to mid 60s vintage, and looked through them. It looked like pretty standard stuff, much like I saw on their computers.

And then I took a second look, and it hit me. They were done by hand! Holy crap! The precision of the lettering and the drawings was amazing. It really is a lost art, and I really do mean art.

Platapus 08-19-10 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun (Post 1471393)

Now with the advent of the personal computer, I can say with no hesitation that my handwriting has deteriorated to the point that I am perfectly capable of scribbling down something in a hurry that even I can't read if I come across it again after having forgotten what I was scribbling about in the first place. Consequently when I have to write a note out by hand - which happens lot at work, Post-its being a primary means of interoffice communication on various documents that have to pass from person to person to person to person and back again - I make myself write it out in (mostly) block letters to ensure that it's legible to anyone who has to read it.

I am with you on this. Back in my IBM Selectric 2 days, I was known to type my post-it notes if it was important.

Tchocky 08-19-10 12:06 PM

Had to think back to my days in an LA elementary school to remember what "cursive" means :D The word doesn't quite exist over here.

There's no real distinction in Irish schools, if your handwriting is legible then keep on truckin'. Mine is admittedly horrid when writing up notes for myself, but I can usually put in the effort for something important.

I'm pretty much back in school at my current job, a paycheck really helps the study go down :D


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