SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

SUBSIM Radio Room Forums (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/index.php)
-   General Topics (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=175)
-   -   The Glenn Beck/Goldline Scam (large graphic) (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=172942)

Aramike 07-28-10 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 1454941)
How so? (the scam part regarding gold)

I was referring to what mookie pointed out (along with similar services), plus all the "sell your gold" advertisements. If you're not buying and selling direct at wholesale prices, you're getting ripped off most likely.

The problem with dealing in precious metals at all is that you are responsible for transporting and storing it. If you use a service for it, they are going to take a large cut off the top, which, even with the boom in price, will be hard to make up.

Finally, gold isn't accepted as currency in most cases so it only has value if you can find someone willing to buy it. While the market may be high, finding someone to pay that price is another story.

TLAM Strike 07-28-10 09:32 PM

If you are really in the market for cheap gold find some old circuit boards (if you are like me you have a closet full of them) and melt them down in your back yard. You will find all sorts of valuable metals in it! :up:












:O::O::O:

antikristuseke 07-29-10 07:39 AM

Most of it is just copper though, with trace amounts of gold and platinum.

SteamWake 07-29-10 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antikristuseke (Post 1455522)
Most of it is just copper though, with trace amounts of gold and platinum.

and zinc, cadnium, tin, tantalum, and on and on 'heavy' metals.

I dont think melting down circuit boards would be a very healthy exercise. The amount of gold is definatly not worth the effort.

I know that commercial facilitys do it but its for enviromental reasons not for a profit.

TLAM Strike 07-29-10 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1455557)
I dont think melting down circuit boards would be a very healthy exercise. The amount of gold is definatly not worth the effort.

Yea I was joking. Its very dangerous, but it doesn't stop people in China and India from doing it.

Quote:

I know that commercial facilitys do it but its for enviromental reasons not for a profit.
Funny I have a family friend who works at one that does that for profit, but its not their only operation they do jewelry, industrial, and government jobs.

SteamWake 07-30-10 08:21 AM

I found my own infographic !!!

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...tsforgold1.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...tsforgold2.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...tsforgold3.jpg

mookiemookie 07-30-10 08:48 AM

Needs more teary-eyed Glenn Beck.

The Third Man 07-30-10 01:05 PM

I missed where Glenn Beck mandated buying gold from any source.

Aramike 07-30-10 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1456383)
I missed where Glenn Beck mandated buying gold from any source.

He hasn't.

However, I'm quite sure that, say Chris Matthews was advocating gold and doing so using his economic theories, he'd be villified by the right for misleading people.

I have no problem with Beck doing this, by the way. If people aren't smart enough to realize that it is their responsibility to be informed consumers, than that's THEIR fault - not Beck's.

mookiemookie 07-30-10 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1456582)
I have no problem with Beck doing this, by the way. If people aren't smart enough to realize that it is their responsibility to be informed consumers, than that's THEIR fault - not Beck's.

Agreed, but the whole point to the story is that Beck is either too dumb to realize he's helping Goldline take advantage of his audience, or he's actively helping them to do so.

Idiot or con artist. Either way, screw him.

The Third Man 07-30-10 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1456608)
Agreed, but the whole point to the story is that Beck is either too dumb to realize he's helping Goldline take advantage of his audience, or he's actively helping them to do so.

Idiot or con artist. Either way, screw him.

That presuposes Glenn Beck's audience is stupid. Many may be , but it dosen't make GlennB beck any more responsible than it does Barack Obama for selling a $41,000 electric car no one wants.

August 07-30-10 07:06 PM

I listened to Paul Harvey hawk JB Weld on his news program for years and never thought the less of him for it. Same thing with Marlin Perkins using a nature show to peddle insurance. It goes with the territory.

Sailor Steve 07-30-10 08:42 PM

As did Bill Clinton renting out nights in the Lincoln Bedroom. If it's not illegal then it's okay, whether we like it or not. Being famous or powerful comes with some perks, and if they're willing to pay, why not?

Aramike 07-30-10 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1456608)
Agreed, but the whole point to the story is that Beck is either too dumb to realize he's helping Goldline take advantage of his audience, or he's actively helping them to do so.

Idiot or con artist. Either way, screw him.

Or he's just reading the script because he's paid too - like pretty much every other personality in America.

UnderseaLcpl 07-30-10 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1456608)
Agreed, but the whole point to the story is that Beck is either too dumb to realize he's helping Goldline take advantage of his audience, or he's actively helping them to do so.

Idiot or con artist. Either way, screw him.

The same could be said of a lot of people and interest groups; just replace "audience" with "taxpayers".


I'm not a big fan of Beck anymore, as he has a tendency to go overboard, even when espousing libertarian ideals and, coming from me, that's saying something. Perhaps the only thing more annoying is that I often find myself in the position of having not only to make and defend my own arguments, but to dismiss or modify his as well when people equate them with mine. I'm quite capable of creating my own stupid or invalid arguments without having Beck's dumped on the pile, thank you.
Even so, I prefer him, however fraudulent, to idiots and con artists who both attempt to defraud me and, failing that, simply take my gains by force.

Beck puts himself and his views and whatever products or services he chooses to support out there for everyone to see, regardless of endorsement or ridicule. I can respect that. It takes courage to do what Beck does. Compare his on-air antics to say, what my union does and you'd have a lot more respect for him as well.

The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen spends tens of millions of dollars every year convincing Washington to steal your money and give it to us because we have posters of our members with babies and pretty mothers. We're red-blooded, hard-working, family-type Americans who need a little help from our fellow citizens because corporate greed would otherwise force us into hardship. Read that sentence again, and this time roll your eyes and perform the "wanking-off" hand motion to get an idea of how much sarcasm should be packed into it.
You could also come visit my relatively lazy, childless, wifeless ass to get some perspective. I'll take you to meet my similarly worthless co-workers. Hope you don't mind that we go behind your backs and steal a little of your American dream to make the one we sell to Washington achievable.

Rather than get pissed off at Beck defrauding lazy idiots into entering a detrimental transaction, perhaps we should be pissed off at the multitude of special interests who don't bother asking for your money before they take it and the legislators and judiciaries who make it all possible.

mookiemookie 07-31-10 07:15 AM

Fraud is fraud, no matter how you want to explain it away. It should be pointed out.

NeonSamurai 07-31-10 07:55 AM

I've never been a fan of Beck myself, nor any other so called reporter that uses the emotional pathway to convey a message rather than the logical/rational route. This is the route con men use as it can bypass thought and reason. It is also surprisingly (to me anyways) effective, and often bypasses rational thought.

God I miss the days of objective (ie non subjective) news presentation. The days before all these scumsucking 'news reporters' came along daring to tell me how I should think about an event, and spinning the living heck out of it (not to mention following the rating's events for days to weeks with 'exclusive' coverage).

UnderseaLcpl 07-31-10 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1456877)
Fraud is fraud, no matter how you want to explain it away. It should be pointed out.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. We need to get on the same page, here. I never said fraud was ok, I simply said that fraud amongst idiots was preferable to theft and coercion. I totally agree that it should be pointed out. Fraud is anathema to a libertarian.

My point was that voluntary acceptance of fraud by idiots beats the hell out of enforced fraud.

SteamWake 07-31-10 08:47 AM

If its blatent fraud then prosecute him.

If its not sit around and discuss it on an interwebs forum and try to make it seem so.

Torvald Von Mansee 07-31-10 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 1454899)
Good thing Beck isn't an elected official like that paradigm of ethics Charlie Rangle eh?

Relevance?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:43 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.