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Jimbuna 07-19-10 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1448310)
Oh, and a little F-86 video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQL9Kxxd88s


An old classic :yeah:

Platapus 07-19-10 02:46 PM

I always thought that the F-86 was one of the coolest looking fighter jets :yeah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKDlWktFK6I&feature=fvw

Susexx 07-20-10 01:07 PM

:salute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOsk1...eature=related

CCIP 07-20-10 01:32 PM

But let's not forget - if anything, I think these archives reveal more about the fact that the Sabre's natural opponent was also a very worthy aircraft, piloted by very sharp flyers. It was no pushover, so cheers to both those who flew it and those who faced it. Let's hope Russian and American airmen don't have to face each other like that ever again, though!

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2...5chino2006.jpg

:salute:

Oberon 07-20-10 01:45 PM

Amen CCIP, got a healthy respect for Russian equipment and the users of it. :yep:

CCIP 07-20-10 01:56 PM

Did I mention I want Mig Alley 2?

I really wish they'd give it the same treatment as BoB 2, which shows that Rowan's engine can still be alive and kicking. I never got very far in Mig Alley, but I'll always remember it as the game that taught me how to dogfight.

tomfon 07-20-10 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1448310)
Oh, and a little F-86 video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQL9Kxxd88s


:har:

Nice one, Oberon!

Raptor1 07-20-10 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1449238)
Did I mention I want Mig Alley 2?

I really wish they'd give it the same treatment as BoB 2, which shows that Rowan's engine can still be alive and kicking. I never got very far in Mig Alley, but I'll always remember it as the game that taught me how to dogfight.

Aye, MiG Alley 2 would be awesome.

Though IIRC somebody was making a Korean War sim based on the Storm of War engine somewhere...

Sailor Steve 07-20-10 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1448227)
That is most probably the case....and yes, a beautiful aircraft.

A product of the same folks who brought us the P-51 Mustang.

The Korean War was also the first airwar that suffered from planning by people far from the front. US Command was in Japan, and it showed. You would have F-80s, F-84s and F-9-F Panthers doing ground attack with Mustangs and Corsairs as top cover. Yes, that's jets doing the ground-pounding and the older "prop-jobs" as we called them when I was a kid, trying to take on the MiGs.

In World War 2 it could be doubly dangerous for a fighter pilot, because a P-51 head-on at 300 yards looks very much like a Bf-109 at 200 yards, and bomber gunners tended to shoot at both. In Korea they actually assigned straight-winged F-84s as close escort for the B-29s, with F-86s flying high cover. They were told to not chase the MiGs through the formations, because the B-29 gunners were told to shoot at anything with swept wings.

Two Korea airwar movies you should not miss.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046806/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051750/

Too much schmaltz and not enough flying in both films, but what is there makes them both worth a look.

Except for Platapus, who will hate The Hunters, as it's Crash Dive with airplanes.

TLAM Strike 07-20-10 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1449238)
Did I mention I want Mig Alley 2?

I really wish they'd give it the same treatment as BoB 2, which shows that Rowan's engine can still be alive and kicking. I never got very far in Mig Alley, but I'll always remember it as the game that taught me how to dogfight.

I'm with you. Back when I was big in to flight sims MiG Alley was one of my favorites.

Really learned a lot about flying in that sim with the preferences set for realistic. Came as a shock first time I flew with those settings that I could tear the wings off my F-80 with a sharp turn or send my F-86 in to an uncontrollable spin with hard maneuvers at high altitude.

nikimcbee 07-21-10 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1449238)
Did I mention I want Mig Alley 2?

I really wish they'd give it the same treatment as BoB 2, which shows that Rowan's engine can still be alive and kicking. I never got very far in Mig Alley, but I'll always remember it as the game that taught me how to dogfight.

:yeah:
That would be totally cool!

Platapus 07-21-10 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1449328)

Except for Platapus, who will hate The Hunters, as it's Crash Dive with airplanes.

The movie "The Hunters" is way better than Crash Dive. :up:

Captain Vlad 07-21-10 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1449238)
Did I mention I want Mig Alley 2?

Yeah, that's on my list, too.

Especially if they threw in the USN/Marine fighters. Panthers and Skyraiders and Corsairs! Yeah!

Sailor Steve 07-21-10 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Vlad (Post 1450291)
Yeah, that's on my list, too.

Especially if they threw in the USN/Marine fighters. Panthers and Skyraiders and Corsairs! Yeah!

I've built models of things like a Douglas F3D Skyknight and a Seafire 47 for the airwar game we play at the local hobby shop. I'd love to see those in a game as well.

TLAM Strike 07-21-10 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Vlad (Post 1450291)
Especially if they threw in the USN/Marine fighters. Panthers and Skyraiders and Corsairs! Yeah!

You are making my mouth water...

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1450311)
I've built models of things like a Douglas F3D Skyknight and a Seafire 47 for the airwar game we play at the local hobby shop. I'd love to see those in a game as well.

Like a miniatures game or something?

Sailor Steve 07-21-10 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1450315)
Like a miniatures game or something?

Ayup. Been playing it since 1977. The only pictures I have are of the WW1 variant, but we play any period from 1915 through the present.

Caudron G4 (scratchbuilt)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...CaudronG42.jpg

Sopwith 1-1/2 sneaks up on a Rumper
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...plerchain2.jpg

And doesn't notice the other one stalking him (all three are vacuform kits)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...erchain1-1.jpg

Caudron escorted by a Nieuport 10 and Morane 'L'
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...enchtrio-1.jpg

A little photoshop goes a long way
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...cloudsGray.jpg

Gulliver Steve admires his Eindekker
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...eve/Fok1-1.jpg

The stands
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...teve/Spad1.jpg

A sight no Allied pilot wants to see
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...Albatros-1.jpg

Oberon 07-22-10 07:33 AM

Now that is win. Nice shots Steve, love the Eindekker, stalked a few of them in various sims over the years :yeah:

Castout 07-22-10 07:37 AM

After seeing the black and white photo the planes are impressive!!

Steve you should try to market his board game and sell the planes that you make :D

Sailor Steve 07-22-10 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1450492)
Steve you should try to market his board game...

The author has been trying to market the game for thirty-five years. No luck so far.

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...and sell the planes that you make :D
My models are no better that thousands of others people have made just to play with. The best part of the whole thing is that rather than six or eight model planes hanging from the ceiling I have a couple hundred that I take out and play with on a regular basis.
:rotfl2:

Schroeder 07-22-10 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1450489)
Nice shots Steve, love the Eindekker,

Grammar Nazi says: It`s an Eindecker, not an Eindekker.:know::O:


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