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UnderseaLcpl 06-19-10 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thorn69 (Post 1422869)
The US downfall will be due to its founding forefathers who wrote up a very vague constitution that leaves more questions than answers and is full of loopholes that every race, gender, and religion tries to take advantage of for self benefit.

That's true with any law. As Sky points out, it is impossible to craft a perfect system that will last forever, which is why we were warned that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance, and given a legitimate system of changing the constitution should the need arise.

It took less than three quarters of a century for the original Constitution to start falling apart, as evidenced by the Confederate Constitution, which is effectively the same document but much more specific and limiting. It, too would have eventually fallen apart, but the stronger the bulwark built against the state is the longer it will take to break down. In the absence of damnyankees, that is:O:


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Originally Posted by gimpy117
See what I mean. that was republicans in 1974. Now they're advocating privatizing EVERYTHING. :nope:

That kind of reversal is not unique to Republicans. Whenever one side takes up an issue in a two-party system, the other side must necessarily take the opposite tack if it wishes to secure the greatest number of voters. The Republicans also used to be the party of peace, while Dems were warhawks, and vice-versa before that. It isn't about the parties themselves so much as it is about the system in which they must operate.

My solution to this nonsense, as always, is to limit the power of the state to create new legislation so severely (i.e. supermajority required for everything) that noone in their right mind would even waste time trying to co-opt it. On top of that, make it extremely answerable for its proper tasks so that it cannot grow complacent or abusive. To further keep it from growing complacent or abusive, privatize certain sectors of it via a contractual system with elections held every fiscal year to allow people to replace the privatized sector in question with a new contractor.

Even that system, however, comes with an expiration date. I don't know how or when, but somebody, somewhere, will find a way around or through, hence the need for the tree of liberty to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots. The goal is not to build a permanent system, but to preserve the forward march of progress until such safeguards are no longer necessary.

krashkart 06-19-10 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thorn69 (Post 1422869)
The US downfall will be due to its founding forefathers who wrote up a very vague constitution that leaves more questions than answers and is full of loopholes that every race, gender, and religion tries to take advantage of for self benefit.

Nah, it's not the founding fathers' fault. They're dead, they can do about as much to fix our mistakes as we will be able to do to fix our great-great-grandchildren's mistakes.

CaptainHaplo 06-20-10 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1422794)
Oh im glad Regan could write his own speeches while he screwed over our country and sold out the working class.

And what has the GOP done that is worthwhile for America? NOTHING!
they sat idly by while our economy melted down, Got us into 2 wars, destroyed our public image, ran the deficit up, Let our schools go all to hell, Passed laws limiting our civil liberties. and so on.

Sorry if it's taking to long to fix all the GOP mistakes. It would be easier with some cooperation from the people who did all this.

Nice - throw mud at the other guy, while ignoring the reality that the Dems have failed by the following:
The borders are still not secure.
We are another 12 Trillion in debt.
The wars that the Chosen One was going to end - haven't.
Gitmo is still open.
How many days has oil been going into the gulf and Obama has done nothing but castigate big business and ask "whose ass should I kick".....
Oh - and use this as a way to push for cap and trade energy taxes.....
Unemployment is running at or near double digits (which it will be well over once they adjust for seasonal).

Remember that second "bailout" - it was going to keep unemployment under 8% - total failure.....
Though I do need to correct it - its not 12 Trillion in new debt. Its more like 2.5 Trillion.
Gitmo - still open.
Wars - still going.
Oil - still spilling.
Borders - still not secure.
Unemployment - still too high.

So ok - lets rephrase the question....

In the nearly 2 years the Dems have had power in BOTH Congress and the presidency - what have you actually accomplished?

A health care bill the majority of Americans don't support (note that O is STILL pitching it in speeches) and is likely to get heavily modified if not overturned next Congress.

That's it. That's your "one big accomplishment" - something most people didn't want to start with.

Well, unless of course you want to say blaming Bush is an accomplishment.....

So I will ask again :

In the nearly 2 years the Dems have had power in BOTH Congress and the presidency - what have you actually accomplished that demonstrates to the American people they should re-elect you and keep you in power?

August 06-20-10 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1423668)
Nice - throw mud at the other guy, while ignoring the reality that the Dems have failed by the following:
The borders are still not secure.
We are another 12 Trillion in debt.
The wars that the Chosen One was going to end - haven't.
Gitmo is still open.
How many days has oil been going into the gulf and Obama has done nothing but castigate big business and ask "whose ass should I kick".....
Oh - and use this as a way to push for cap and trade energy taxes.....
Unemployment is running at or near double digits (which it will be well over once they adjust for seasonal).

Remember that second "bailout" - it was going to keep unemployment under 8% - total failure.....
Though I do need to correct it - its not 12 Trillion in new debt. Its more like 2.5 Trillion.
Gitmo - still open.
Wars - still going.
Oil - still spilling.
Borders - still not secure.
Unemployment - still too high.

So ok - lets rephrase the question....

In the nearly 2 years the Dems have had power in BOTH Congress and the presidency - what have you actually accomplished?

A health care bill the majority of Americans don't support (note that O is STILL pitching it in speeches) and is likely to get heavily modified if not overturned next Congress.

That's it. That's your "one big accomplishment" - something most people didn't want to start with.

Well, unless of course you want to say blaming Bush is an accomplishment.....

So I will ask again :

In the nearly 2 years the Dems have had power in BOTH Congress and the presidency - what have you actually accomplished that demonstrates to the American people they should re-elect you and keep you in power?

Apparently they don't have much of an answer to your post Hap.

thorn69 06-20-10 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1423217)
See what I mean. that was republicans in 1974. Now they're advocating privatizing EVERYTHING. :nope:

Wrong! That was SOME republicans in 1974 and as you see, it didn't get passed back then. Let's not forget the fact that most Dems didn't agree with health care reform back then but now they do under Obama. Why though? Oh that's right - Because they could get it passed despite not having a single republican vote in favor of it and using some under the table/shady tactics to get it passed and forced down America's throat regardless!

And look what it did to your party! It's broken you up quite a bit! Why? Because the American public doesn't appreciate the throat raping Obama and Pelosi imposed on the American people that were predominantly against this health care reform package. Then the knucklehead of a president had the audacity to tell America they needed this bill to pass despite having not read the damn thing. How can Americans trust a reckless president like this? The answer: They can't!

NObama 2012!


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