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krashkart 06-15-10 01:51 AM

^^ What about SH6 minus Ubi, Ducimus? Could be done. :yep:





With regards to any "uppity video game industry upstarts": they may not make a fortune off of us, but we sure as hell are good friends to have. So, if there are any uppity video game industry upstarts reading this, please take note. We make damn good friends. :salute:

UnderseaLcpl 06-15-10 01:57 AM

The situation for Ubisoft does not look good at all. I can't say for sure without looking at their net worth, or any press conferences, but I imagine that they will be accquired by someone else soon. If they are accquired, it is anyone's guess as to whether Ubisoft Romania will remain. I simply cannot make an educated guess on this subject, so I'll just cross my fingers.

CCIP 06-15-10 02:35 AM

Well, a basic common-sense law of commerce is that if you do bad business, you lose your business. I think Ubisoft has done bad business over the last couple of years. Their executive decision-makers have seriously misjudged the nature of the market and made some very bad decisions. It's only fair that they and their shareholders pay for them - the dedicated players have already paid plenty.

Skybird 06-15-10 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1419486)
Sadly though...in a way they will be missed :cry:.

Hardly.

Releasing unfinished, rushed, buggy games, running unsufficient patching business and maintaining lousy customer relations, does not make you a champion with your intended customers.

CCIP 06-15-10 03:26 AM

I think it's more accurate to say that some of their titles and franchises will be missed.

I don't know if Ubisoft going down would really be a good or bad thing for gaming. It's probably not very good. But in order to break the status quo, sacrifices have to be made... the industry can't move forward when it's dominated by the likes of EA and Ubi.

krashkart 06-15-10 04:02 AM

^^ The pot really needs a good stirring. Big companies have the resources to mass-publish, mass-advertise a game. But big companies also have a way of looking after their own gains before anything else.

Wolfehunter 06-15-10 06:40 AM

They did it to themselves. They can only blame themselves for there own stupidity. But I'm sure they blame pirates... lol :har::arrgh!:

Jimbuna 06-15-10 07:42 AM

If they do go down the pan (and I sincerely hope they don't) the majority of the cause will have been self inflicted.

Money is extremely tight for every customer base these days and the only way your going to get them to part with any of that money is by having the products that are attractive to them.

NeonSamurai 06-15-10 07:58 AM

The irony to me is that I personally consider EA to be just as bad, if not worse. EA is notorious for releasing lots of half finished, buggy or broken games, pretending they will fix them, and then dumping them. Only their triple A titles get any kind of attention or polish (the sims). Then of course there is EA sports, which releases the same game with a few touch-ups year after year after year after year after year. They also are fans of draconian DRM (though smart enough to back off when the consumer backlash hit). Last they love to release tons of stupid little addons and other crap.

Anyhow, I hope they finish the Assassin's Creed series before going under (oh and they better strip the online DRM). It's about the only series I have any interest in from them any more.

Raptor1 06-15-10 08:01 AM

EA is definitely worse. People barely even noticed when EA used the online-required DRM even before Ubi...

Weiss Pinguin 06-15-10 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai (Post 1419735)
The irony to me is that I personally consider EA to be just as bad, if not worse. EA is notorious for releasing lots of half finished, buggy or broken games, pretending they will fix them, and then dumping them. Only their triple A titles get any kind of attention or polish (the sims). Then of course there is EA sports, which releases the same game with a few touch-ups year after year after year after year after year. They also are fans of draconian DRM (though smart enough to back off when the consumer backlash hit). Last they love to release tons of stupid little addons and other crap.

Maybe with one of the giants under more developers will come out and fill whatever vacuum is left behind :hmmm: Until EA snatches them up that is...

Bilge_Rat 06-15-10 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Drifter (Post 1419417)
In my opinion, Ubisoft is toast:


Ubisoft shares have lost about 90% of their value in only 2 years. They are bleeding money like a slaughtered pig. Their stock value is now hovering around $7.50 per share. They have supposedly cut their staff from 400 down to only 50.

They are infamously well-known for releasing buggy, half-finished games, horrible customer service/communication, draconian DRM, and lack of correctly patching same said buggy, half-finished games. A perfect example is the recent SH5 release. They released only one patch that didn't address most of the hard-coded problems that remained in SH5, then dropped all support. They basically took the money and ran, leaving the paying customers with a still-unfinshed, buggy game. It was probably their plan to do this even before the SH5 release.

I am predicting sometime next year (2011) they will be forced to file bankruptcy. Good riddance. You won't be missed. :down:

..and in the same two years, EA has lost 70% and Sony has lost 45% of its share price.

The drop in stock price has more to do with the ongoing worldwide recession than anything else. Most analysts still rate Ubi has a good long term investment. It will be around for many years for everyone to continue taking shots at...

mookiemookie 06-15-10 09:06 AM

Seeing what's happened to the SH series has chased me away from Ubisoft altogether. RUSE looked kind of interesting, but when I found out that it was published by Ubisoft, I refuse to even consider buying it.

They fail to realize that by not putting out quality products, even if they're niche products like the SH games, they affect sales of all their product lines.

I doubt they'll be out of business, but I don't doubt they'll be gobbled up by someone if the share price gets low enough.

Bilge_Rat 06-15-10 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1419781)

I doubt they'll be out of business, but I don't doubt they'll be gobbled up by someone if the share price gets low enough.

that is a more likely scenario than bankruptcy.

Sonarman 06-15-10 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drifter (Post 1419417)
In my opinion, Ubisoft is toast:


Ubisoft shares have lost about 90% of their value in only 2 years. They are bleeding money like a slaughtered pig. Their stock value is now hovering around $7.50 per share. They have supposedly cut their staff from 400 down to only 50.
...

I am predicting sometime next year (2011) they will be forced to file bankruptcy. Good riddance. You won't be missed. :down:

Ubisoft Romania was downsized from 400 to 50, it is only a tiny portion of the Ubi empire and this downsizing happened I think a long time ago, probably when Romania became part of the EU just after the release of SH3!

This year Ubi shifted 9 million copies of Assasins Creed 2. I don't think Ubi is about to just disappear with sales numbers like that. Although judging by their latest just announced title they deserve to!!

FIREWALL 06-15-10 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by krashkart (Post 1419507)
Those damn companies target the younger people, FIREWALL, not old f$%^ers like you and me. We have to watch our wallets. They don't know what a wallet is yet. :lol:

I agree. I think UBISOFT has been King of the Hill for too long.

Only time will tell if their Reputation is all that important to them.

It wasn't with a company like Imron and others.

The ball is in their court now. We shall see how they handle it.

SHV has only been out roughly 3 1/2 mo.

To second guess how they'll handle it is a waste of time and reminds me of a bunch of old ladies wringing their hands and fretting.

The game is playable and modable at this time.

It's when you can't logon and play is when UBI has some legal questions. to answer.

As far as a patch goes if, you haven't seen one by Sept ( 6 mo's ) you can assume support in that area is over.

My BET is a Patch that ends DRM and then allows you to play offline and online on theirs other servers by September.

Bilge_Rat 06-15-10 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL (Post 1419864)
As far as a patch goes if, you haven't seen one by Sept ( 6 mo's ) you can assume support in that area is over.

My BET is a Patch that ends DRM and then allows you to play offline and online on theirs other servers by September.

Sounds about right. After the game has been out for 6 months, Ubisoft will have realized most of the sales they can expect from the game. Ubi wont want to keep up the expense of keeping servers online for SH5 forever.

FIREWALL 06-15-10 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 1419873)
Sounds about right. After the game has been out for 6 months, Ubisoft will have realized most of the sales they can expect from the game. Ubi wont want to keep up the expense of keeping servers online for SH5 forever.

You are so right. :up:

Arclight 06-15-10 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonarman (Post 1419823)
Although judging by their latest just announced title they deserve to!!

I think you missed a few...

Child Of Eden Is Basically Rez For The PlayStation Move, Kinect

Another World Creator Back With A New Game: Project Dust

If yer gonna bash, get yer facts straight.


Don't care about the project Natal, oh sorry, Kinect nonsense, but "Dust" looks promising and actually refreshing.

Ubi ain't going nowhere. :-?

Sonarman 06-15-10 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight (Post 1419956)
I think you missed a few...
...
If yer gonna bash, get yer facts straight.

Don't get me wrong my post was not so much a criticism of Ubi products in general rather more a statement on the continued glorification and profiteering from the "fallen idol" Michael Jackson. That Ubi got us this far with SH is very much in their credit and I for one am still willing to give them another chance which many here quite understandably are not.


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