I was there in 94, 95, and 99. I said i served there, i didn't say i was there in the korean war in the 1950's. Lots of people have served there since an annual tour is still, "360 days and a wake up".

But yeah, ive seen Korea and it's changes. They've been trying to become a 1st world nation in one generation. Korea is the happy land of the escavator. THey use it for EVERYTHING. Right along with pumper trucks. They slop that runny soup everywhere, and then they wonder why their malls and bridges fall down. I remember seeing one adashi measuring the elevation of a pile with a freaking ruler.

Seems to me there people don't want us there, and they made sure we knew it. Treaty? What - freaking - ever.

Would suck to be them wouldn't it? What was it they told me and my buddies,... oh yes... "GI GO HOME!". Sure, no problem. As if your typical GI wanted to be there anyway. One buddy of mine had some punk adashi body slam into his shoulder when he was just walking down the street minding his own buisness and got a "welcome to korea" to go along with the forceful slam. Kinda lets one know how they REALLY feel about us.

Again, Screw em. I don't care of that entire penninsula goes up on flame. Infact, id rather enjoy hearing them beg for us to return.

No im not bitter.. not at all. :shifty:

So your anger at yalls treatment means you dont care when untold numbers of innocent people go into deep poverty when the markets crash when SK's economy implodes... I see

Been there got the cheap t-shirts. :nope:

It is still my belief that this is a South Korean issue and that South Korea needs to solve it in a way that supports South Korean agendas.

Just because the United States has a defensive pact with South Korea does not mean that the US military is the tool of the South Korean government.

If the war escalates and South Korea seems to be losing, only then should American forces be commuted.

A defensive agreement does not mean that the US is the first to fight nor does it mean that the US solves a South Korean problem. We will help South Korea solve their problems... that means that the South Koreans do the heavy liftin.

To be brutally honest, and this is only my opinion, the two times I was over in Korea, I did not see anything that would be worth American lives. :nope:

I am, admittedly, pretty picky over what we sacrifice American lives for. :yep:

The United States spent a lot of tax dollars equipping and training the South Korean military forces. How about the South Korean's start taking care of their own defense for a change before we put any more American lives at risk.

Frankly, if it were up to me, I would pull all American forces out of South Korea. Just because they want a 60 year old war going on, does not mean that we have to stay there. :nope:

Even if we were to break treaty and leave it would take years. You cant close a base overnight and also classified material would have to be carefully taken out. You cant do that in a panic.

Good point, but it should not take the US 57 years and counting to package up the classified and unass the area. :D

Regardless we are there and we will have to fight. I just hope china would invade if NK opens fire. NK needs a change and even being a offshoot of china beats it being in its current situation. Atleast the people can get an education and do something other than worshiping KJI.

Have you seen these dudes play Starcraft? The little Asian buggers can organize forces, and devise strategy with near mystical abilities that far surpass any white man. :DL

Your sir, have just earned my respect.

Wholeheartedly agreed.

Apparently this is an opinion we both share. Glad to see im not completely out in the deep end.

Adashi, Agashi, Odgema, and Haroboji ain't worth it to me. Not the way i saw them treat us, and i saw ALOT of time away from "americanized areas" due to my job. Some have never seen us before, most hate our guts. Taegu is a good example. Not a place to be if your a GI.

I don't think many people realize just how many tax dollars are being sunk into that pennensula. Nevermind the KATUSA's, there's all the army camps, two US Air bases, and WRM assets in warehouses. (Found an old 1950-1960, straight six stake bed truck in one of em. 3 on the column shifting, with less then 600 miles on it believe it or not)

Whole heartedly agreed. When i was nieve, I went there thinking we were doing good. I left there royally embittered, but alot wiser.

My unit could do a phase 3 mobility upload in 48 hours or less. That's when your unbolting the shop machinery and loading it on flatbeds.

I can only relate to my observations in 1988 and 1995 when I was there. It was mostly the young people who hated us. There were plenty of old Koreans who appreciated us. But in the 22 years since I was first there, I am sure many many of the old-timers died off leaving only the younglings who have never experienced Korea without an American umbrella.

It is sorta like a spoiled teenager bitching about his parents while relying on them for his very survival. :nope:

You were there in 95? Where abouts?

In 95 I was only there TDY. My full one year "vacation" was in 88-89. I was stationed at Osan but often worked at CP-T and Seoul.

I loved the food, and the shopping, before the Olympics was nice. Like the USA, I met a lot of different types of people - the good, the bad, and the ugly.. Most of the time, if you treated them with respect, they would treat you with respect. But I honestly did not believe in the mission over there. Often I thought our job was to keep the South Koreans for invading the North.

In 95, I was up in Seoul. It was up there that I experienced something that would have been unheard of in the 1980's -- A shopkeeper was rude to us. Some of my friends said that the Olympics sure changed South Korea, and not for the better.

To me an American GI's life is pretty valuable. It is not a resource to be squandered.

Sorry for the rants, but as an old rusty GI, American GI's getting killed is a touchy topic with me.

My first time there, was in 94/95 as i said earlier. It was an "oh schitt" time, as we REALLY thought we were going to war soon at the time. (but that happens alot, ) My home station was at Osan, but i was rarely there. I was all over the penninsula. Camp Humprhies, Suwon, Kwang Ju, Taegu, Chong Ju, and a couple other places im probably forgetting.

The food was ok I thought, but some of the resturants outside of Osan were umm.. not very hygenic. (theres a story attached to that statement). I never did try Gaegoki. No thanks.

>>Often I thought our job was to keep the South Koreans for invading the North.

I've heard that ALOT. I sometimes wondered if it was true.

>>It was up there that I experienced something that would have been unheard of in the 1980's -- A shopkeeper was rude to us

I got used to rude, but some things were a bit beyond rude. Thats what i remember the most.

>>Some of my friends said that the Olympics sure changed South Korea, and not for the better

I heard that too from the old timers. Thats when they got "excessively proud" . Something changed in their national phychi (sp) with that event.

>>Sorry for the rants,

I have ranted about this far more then you have.

Please - no talking about 95.... That was not a good year. Though my time in Korea was very short - I had to stay less than 12 hours.

I will say this - I would MUCH rather have stayed in Eilot than have had to take that flight to Osan. I still wonder if I ever recovered all the a$$ that got chewed there.

Good to run in to other people who have done tours there.

As we used to say about Korea. If you have not been there STFU. :har::har::har:

Yeah, Korea is one of those places that one wouldn't understand unless they had been there.

I've been there twice, so i guess i have my license to b*tch. You know whats crazy? I never did take a mid tour leave. I got so used to living one day at a time, home became a distant memory. I had a choice, go on another TDY and build reventments, or take mid tour. I asked myself, "Why go home? There's no one waiting for me." So, i went to Kwang Ju for 41.50 a day per diem instead. :woot:

edit: Man, i made so much in per diem its sick. (I was basicly TDY most of the time) Give you two guesses where all the per diem ended up at.

Weeee.... business as usual in the Land of the not quite right.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...taliation.html
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I just developed a theory, like 2 seconds ago. That theory is that the brinkmanship on the Korean peninsula, is on, roughly, a 5 to 7 year or so rotational cycle.

Maybe you will change your mind if you know that someone in that country playing SH4 with TMO, like me. :)

Joking aside, there are only few Koreans who deny the necessity of USFK, and over 80% of population think that station of US Forces is essential for peace in this region. In fact, many of us appreciate military assistence of US, including myself.

I feel sorry about your unhappy experiences about South Korea, but there are many more Koreans who like US - at least, don't dislike US - then those who dislike US. Minorities often use extreme measures to show thier opinion, so it may seems like that they are representing major public, but they are not, as KKK doesn't represent the majority of US citizen.

Our tree of prosperity is standing on the sacrifices of soldiers of foriegn and domestic, who risked and still risking thier lives to save freedom and liberty of this small country. It is shameful that some people ignore that fact, but most of us remember and appreciate it.

I just want you to know that.

Nice one there Scudhawk. :yeah:

Oh - and welcome aboard! :arrgh!:

welcome scudhawk

yep, there is good and bad in all, or in this case, some that do, and some that dont like the us.

Old Doug would say..."Told you so, we should have wiped those damn commies off the earth when we had the chance." :hmmm: