Like I said tater, the world sees drugs, guns, killings and a system already brimming with issues as we are experiencing on our borders as ok.

Tater, some of your points there in your solution are very good.:up:

Patrolled, electrified with barbwire is a great start to see if they work. Place some mines also. Why not go full bore? Plus, it give folks jobs. That's what the Obama administration is all about :up: No wait....

May not work but it sure the hell woke the country up to what is happening in AZ. No? When do we say as a country that enough is enough? Plus, bring this issue to the table during the mid term elections....it will get ugly for some.

What does Germany have to do with this?

One thing I dont get.. if I understand it correctly Arizona is simply adopting the federal law on a state level seeing as the Fed's do not enforce their law. Now Arizona may enforce the law on a state level and try to do something about the conditions there finally.

So why all the fuss?

Because it is against human rights!!! Everyone should be able to run amuck killing and dealing drugs! After all, raping and pillaging is a human right.

So you are unable to address the issue

Me specifially? No sir. This is why we pay taxes like we do. It is supposed to be handled at a Federal and local level. But when the powers that be start enforcing the law everyone(the world) complains like a baby who had it's lollipop taken away. So what is the point of your question?

The point of the question is why did you write nonsense like.....
Most people are complaining that the new legislation cannot work legally.

Oh, raping and pillaging is nonsense....got it. Drugs, murder and other illegal activities such as raping and pillaging is nonsense...got it.

No, most people are complaining about human rights....Al Sharpton is heading to AZ to protest for human rights...not that this will not work. Recheck the complaint. :up:

correct.

One of the basic responsibilities of the United States Government is to protect national sovereignty through protection of our borders.

This is ONE MORE THING the US Government has failed at miserably...

guess they are too concerned with how much salt is in a bowl of Noodle soup and what kind of light bulbs people buy :doh:

The unrelenting march into the abyss continues

ever onward morons!

Halt! Papieren bitte. Keine papieren? GEGEN DIE MAUER! SCHNELL! KINDERN AUCH DABEI!

Seriously though, what naivety to think that racial profiling won't be involved. Of course it will.

I have no problem with immigrant/guest workers being issued relevant papers and identification, that's reasonable.

What I take issue with is the blanket approach taken in this bill which affects the treatment and rights of citizens of the United States. It puts the burden of proof on the citizen to prove that he is indeed what he is. Why should a citizen be subject to delay, detainment or arrest resultant from government sanctioned racial profiling? Racial profiling is subconscious and natural and, enabled by these new powers, will lead to the harassment of legal hispanic citizens.

I think the use of probable cause would be used quite a bit concerning this bill. Sadly the probable cause is you look Mexican. Thus the profiling.


What is your suggestion to the problem?

I would require businesses to keep records of employees IDs (like bar tenders/waiters must already do) and would do random checks on these (like ABC already do), would require some kind of proof or ID to enroll your kids in school, have doctor checkups etc. Basically, I would make the services very hard to take advantage of.

Then, I would introduce harsher penalties for illegal immigrants who are caught. Labor, deportation or something (hey! you finally get to work!)

Finally, I would open up and improve avenues for legal immigration. Including assistance with language learning and cultural integration.

In the state of MD employeers are responsible for not hiring illegals. When they do and are caught fines are pressed. Usually the business is closed. However, when this happens it is the usual profiling and civil right (for illegals mind you). It is the same old song and dance. As far as penalites...deport. Go through the proper channels for citizenship.

Something needs to be done. This law in AZ is just the wake up call to the Feds and the rest of the country. Lets face it, the killing and drugs are out of hand. Nothing is being done. I understand that the White House was contacted 5 times concerning AZ and a personal visit was made by the Senator of AZ (Brewer?). Nothing was done.

And so it goes. Run for the border before 2012!



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ll-until-2012/

Cute how no one really replied to that post. Could it be you have nothing?

I'll answer, "white" male that I am.

Yeah, you'd be annoyed. The question is WHO you should be annoyed at. The choices are those trying to protect YOU, and your tax dollars, or the illegals who forced this by their criminal act.

That's it. That's the choice. My buddy Pablo makes me look like a bleeding heart commie. He'd absolutely fall in this category, and I KNOW (I'll ask him tomorrow when I see him to be sure) that he'll have ZERO problem with this, and will complain they didn't do it years ago.

According to the US census, there are ~45 million hispanics in the US. About 12 million are illegal.

Read that again. ^^^^

Almost 1/3 are illegal.

Be mad at the 12 million criminals, not the police. When northern European types in the US are 1/3 criminals, heck, even 20% criminal aliens, I'll happily carry my passport around.

Not really, as I posted in another thread to you, my dad was always searched at the airport. He was in his 70's and still searched....every time. Let profile old white guys today! The old man was searched all the time. Christ, he could hardly walk.


My boss with a last name is Sanchez is on the terrorist watch list?

Does any of it make sense?

4 airline captains i used to fly with regularly were on the terror watch list.

:doh::o:doh::o

its a waste of time and resources.

coming out of every overnight the TSA, FBI and the airline all had to agree to let the captain on the airplane in the morning.

go figure

your tax dollars at work

Of course it is a waste GR....we are all security cleared with the government in my office!!! LOL.