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TheBrauerHour 04-18-10 12:17 PM

Bad situation all around. The Cop should get investigated, and I hope justice is served.

As for the OP, judge yourself and the place you live, thank you very much. You have no right whatsoever to insult an area of the U.S. that is home to many of the SubSim users. Perhaps you could learn a lesson in tolerance. It may do you some good.

I would be ashamed if I spoke ill of others' homes like that. :down:

CaptainHaplo 04-18-10 12:51 PM

Well don'tcha know that taking a single incident can prove a whole group of people are bad.

Take Australians for example.... I never knew they were racist cannibals - but all the proof can be found in a cookbook that calls for "fresh ground black people" to season pasta. :o

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04...est=latestnews

Sure - everyone is claiming its a mis-print and a mistake by a computerized proof reader.... its all just a cover up!

Anything taken individually - without any documentable pattern - can be twisted into anything. TvM simply did it out of his own fear and hatred for something different from himself. Just another example of the "tolerance" the left shows...

^ - look - a stereotype! :rotfl2:

Flopper 04-18-10 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee (Post 1363813)
I'm reasonably sure that it's far more likely to happen in states where authoritarianism rules, and the DS is certainly that.

True. South Carolina, North Korea, Chad... peas in a pod.

Sailor Steve 04-18-10 01:43 PM

Boy, I'm sure glad I don't live in South California any more. Look at Rodney King.

And right below the video on YouTube is one labelled "Another Chicago woman beaten".

It happens, and it shouldn't. Some cops abuse their authority, and deserve whatever punishment the law can give them.

And no offense to anyone, but this looks like a blatant attempt to use one case out of a great many to point the finger at someone the poster doesn't like.

CaptainHaplo 04-18-10 01:48 PM

Sailor Steve - you should be ashamed of yourself!

Mentioning Chicago like that! Don't you know that is where the chosen one is from - and thus nothing bad ever could happen there? Your defaming the almight o - expect the FBI at the library soon!

Sailor Steve 04-18-10 01:56 PM

This is Utah - we've been at war with the Feds since 1857.

Besides, I gots my runnin' shoes on, and my bike out of storage, so I'm ready to hi-tail it outa here.
:rotfl2:

GoldenRivet 04-18-10 02:23 PM

Low speed pursuit in progress as Federal officers chase what appears to be a man on a ten speed.

news at 11

tater 04-18-10 02:31 PM

The real deep south to avoid is just south of the border. Cuidad Juarez, for example.

jumpy 04-18-10 02:42 PM

As a britisher (and therefore, viewing this from outside), it strikes me that a region of a country with a history of 'burning ******s' less than a century ago, ought not to feel too bad or put upon because of a persistent stereotype for being 'good 'ole boys'.
Statistics are not required... they really did hang 'em from the cotton trees.

For the same reason I don't like spending a night out on the town on a friday/saturday night in most of the northern town's I've been to - coming from the midlands (and not having a northern accent) and having long hair, but not a mono-brow that has no discernible divide between the hairline, I'm more or less guaranteed a kicking because I'm 'different' and 'not from round here'. It's grim up north, and there's a very good reason for it being recognised so.

The op doesn't say 'this only happens in the south', perhaps that's the inference that some wish to take, but it didn't come across that way to me - as ever you bring only what you already have to the table. Preconceptions can be funny old things. More often than not they reveal more about you than you would perhaps choose to show sometimes.

That said, there's no monopoly on racism and bigotry (as the rare incident here at subsim will attest), but stereotypes are just that, anecdotal but rooted in the truth and not just simple prejudice, else they wouldn't become stereotypes.
But ultimately the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence; it's always the same colour and you have the same chance of stepping in something wet and soft that leaves a smell you just can't seem to get out of your carpet, no matter where you go.

Regarding the footage, it certainly looks excessive - either she was a lot more aggravated and willing to self harm than the film lets on, or she got a good pasting from the only other people there. Whatever the case, the camera shouldn't have been turned off, if only to refute or corroborate police version of events.
Here in the UK (as far as I'm aware) when you are detained by the police, they then assume a 'duty of care' over you which extends to not kicking your face in, or ensuring that you cannot harm yourself - for their protection as well as yours, physically.
I'd say it's a good bet the cop gave her a beating, but if he had any reason to suspect she might hurt herself, then he should have covered his arse in an appropriate manner, either by leaving the camera recording or leaving the woman with another police officer present. All in all that was handled badly from where I'm looking.

However, I always think it's important to remember that if the police arrest you, keep you mouth shut and behave; they are not acting for your best interests, and until you establish where you stand in relation to what you may or may not be getting charged with after consulting with your brief, DO NOT TALK TO THEM OR VOLUNTEER INFORMATION, save to confirm your identity. Even if you haven't done anything wrong, but especially if you think you have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc this relates to the US better than the UK, as this labour government signed away our right to silence as a tacit admission of guilt... but there you go. Just because not everyone is out to get you, doesn't mean that some of them aren't. :)

GoldenRivet 04-18-10 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpy (Post 1364484)
they really did hang 'em from the cotton trees.

you would have to find a pretty short guy to hang him in a "cotton tree"

http://www.frontierspinning.com/loca...DSCN2966.2.jpg

considering they are just a little over knee high and all

Besides.

The "****** burning" as you so bluntly put it, has pretty much subsided here in the last hundred+ years.

Unless you travel to the most rural areas of the smallest towns in the southern united states... you are more likely to encounter people wearing a suit and tie, or polo shirts and khaki pants than you are to find some guy in a wife beater drinking beer on his front porch.

EDIT:

in fact, if it were not for the cars with the state plates - i doubt anyone could drive around virtually any given neighborhood or urban area in Texas, Alabama, Mississippi etc and tell it apart from an Urban area or Neighborhood in any part of the northern United States

nikimcbee 04-18-10 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1364442)
This is Utah - we've been at war with the Feds since 1857.

Besides, I gots my runnin' shoes on, and my bike out of storage, so I'm ready to hi-tail it outa here.
:rotfl2:

:haha:

tater 04-18-10 02:56 PM

Jumpy, shall we assume you similarly avoid Germany? They shoveled lime over rather more people there than anyone ever hanged from a tree (or small bush) in the US South.

As a New Englander, I grew up not liking the South much. That said, I'd be willing to bet that current race relations in the US South are pretty good compared to most places on Earth.

How're those "youths" doing in France that we hear about burning cars?

OneToughHerring 04-18-10 02:58 PM

They got those 'bubba'-cops down there in the south. They don't like no east coast intellectuals telling 'em how to do any pho-li-cing. :)

tater 04-18-10 03:00 PM

How many times was that Jamaican guy shot in NYC? 43?

The US south is no more "authoritarian" than anywhere else. Shall we also assume that OP is in favor of the devolution of power to avoid authoritarianism, which only thrives with strong, centralized control by the State? ;)

GoldenRivet 04-18-10 03:14 PM

To be perfectly honest, every one of my encounters with police officers - except for two - has revealed them to be true professionals.

one negative encounters occurred in Kenner, Louisiana... where the officer walked up to my car, and only said "Drivers license and proof of insurance"

I handed them to him, he attached them to his clip board, spit on his middle finger and "cleaned" the dirt from over my VIN# on the windshield and walked off to his car - all without any other words other than the original "Driver's license and proof of insurance"

when he returned he had a ticket

"sign here, call this number within 10 days"

i signed it and with no further words he went to his car and drove off

of course... this was a black cop - so sure, i guess it could have been racism (oh wait... theres no such thing as racism against white people, i forgot)

the second negative encounter happened in Barnstable, Mass

this was the longest running traffic stop in history as we were pulled over for some 30 - 40 minutes as the cop checked every light on the vehicle, checked out our IDs, and went through every possible infraction he could think of before determining we were guilty of nothing and letting us go.

He was not particularly "mean" - just ... what you might call "Chicken sh*t"

Wolfehunter 04-18-10 03:32 PM

I can assure you it happens to the north too. I'm sure it happens everywhere. But hey that is the way its been going on for a long time. This isn't new news.

:nope:

krashkart 04-18-10 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpy (Post 1364484)
As a britisher (and therefore, viewing this from outside), it strikes me that a region of a country with a history of 'burning ******s' less than a century ago, ought not to feel too bad or put upon because of a persistent stereotype for being 'good 'ole boys'.
Statistics are not required... they really did hang 'em from the cotton trees.


:hmmm:




:har::har::har:

nikimcbee 04-18-10 04:18 PM

Actually you don't to be mentally ill in Portland, or-gone. They've had several fatal police shootings in the last few months. Jessie Jackson even came to protest.:har: Which was really funny because he called the city racist:har::har::har:. Those jack-booted greenies like to kill to ya know.:arrgh!:

Task Force 04-18-10 04:20 PM

Hmm, it appears that everyone goes on with Stereotypes... I guess most havent even been to the south.

Flopper 04-18-10 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpy (Post 1364484)
As a britisher (and therefore, viewing this from outside), it strikes me that a region of a country with a history of 'burning ******s' less than a century ago, ought not to feel too bad or put upon because of a persistent stereotype for being 'good 'ole boys'.
Statistics are not required... they really did hang 'em from the cotton trees.

Well, I'm from the south, and this statement infurates me. My first best friend was a black kid named Ronald. My familiy has an Irish background, so I bid you... "Bite my potatoes."


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