You should join the navy then, you'll have a blast. :lol:

Actually that's pretty good IMO. In English we have a definite difference between a Military or Civilian engine order telegraph, but we like to re-invent the wheel in terms of language in the military, because even the most elementary things must have a "military" way of saying it lol. It appears that the ones used on U-boats would translate closer to what we consider a civilian one.

Aye, just gonna go with that. Seem to recall hearing "ein dritten fahrt vorauss" or something, think in SH3. That would translate to "ahead 1/3", but the last suggestion seems more in line with what we hear in SH5.

File updated, happy with it. :yep:

The only thing I would change is the caps. Since it is a command, or an order, I would think each word should be capitalized, i.e. "Ahead Dead Slow."

Perhaps to match the "Extreme" idea, and to match the reverse, it should be "Ahead Emergency." I think that's how I'm going to do it in my SH3 setup. Of course someone has said that "Extreme" is something somebody said, and not the actual order.

Meh, you start a line with a capital letter, not every word. I think the rules of grammer are pretty clear on that. ;)

Besides, other lines in the text feedback don't use caps for every word either. I want any mods, whether they are my own or someone else's, to 'blend' with the game. Even the smallest detail that looks out of place can ruin the feeling imho.

It's called 'back emergency' because you use it in an emergency. 'Ahead flank' may be used simply to overtake a convoy.

Yep, I'm happy with it as it is. :sunny:

* Apart from 'back dead slow', that just sounds weird, but for lack of a better term, so it shall be.

Pulling from some of the better SH3 mods I would say your last setup is the best. The only one I'm unsure of is "back dead slow." In SH4 all the "backs" were kicked up a notch (missing the bottom rung) so you had:

Ahead dead slow
Ahead slow
Ahead standard
Ahead full
Ahead flank

Back slow
Back standard
Back full
Back emergency

Then again the telegraph in the picture I linked above clearly has a "Voraus Kleine Fahrt" and a "Zuruck Kleine Fahrt." The picture very strongly suggests that the "missing" entry from the backward direction is "GroBe" or full.

In which case I might do:

Ahead dead slow
Ahead slow
Ahead standard
Ahead full
Ahead flank

Back dead slow
Back slow
Back standard
Back emergency!

Also "Halbe" is "Half" so one could substitute "standard" for "half."

It's my interpretation that 'ahead standard' implies some special meaning, namely the best setting for long range travel. Since ships don't travel in reverse normally, I don't think there should be a 'back standard' setting.

'Ahead half' or 'back half' would be possible, but that's a strictly civilian definition again. At the moment I have a bit of a mix of military definitions ('standard', 'flank') and civillian ones ('slow', 'dead slow') ('full' seems commonplace in both). Imho it's the best balance I can get get between proper terminology and matching what is spoken in-game.

One last thing I might do is compare the engine RPM while at 'back full' setting, and see if it corresponds more closely to 'ahead standard' or 'ahead full'. :hmmm:

FWIW, this is the terminology that is used in the USN Fleet Submarine Manual:

Thanks Luke. :salute:

Coincidentaly exactly what I used for the first version, but didn't really mesh with the German voices. :)

Doesn't need to fit the German voices, if you ask me, if it's English, it's English.

Can't say I agree; disconnect between spoken and text just makes people think "that's not right, is it?" :lol:

In speech, yes, but when it's a codified order it becomes, for practical purposes, one word. It was just an idea - no need to get defensive. On the other hand you might want to review the rules of spelling. They're pretty clear, too.

Who's defensive now? :haha:

Only thing I ever do is try to explain my reasoning. :yep:


End spellong is nut mye strungsuit. :88)

Nor is English my native language, for that matter.

"Not I", said the fly.

Dadgum internet doesn't give inflections again. Sorry for misunderstanding.

Hey, no worries. ;)

Even with a ton of smilies it's way too easy to send the wrong message. :-?



Really, I don't take myself too seriously; better to not take my posts too seriously either. :lol:

Even if every word capitalized is proper, it's not consistent with the rest of the buffer text. Better to match than to be textbook. Besides, German naval language of the 40s might differ from US naval language of today.

Well, you can look at it one of two ways: one can either use the "literal" translation from German to English (which is what the devs did), or go for a more "localized" translation. Some things just don't translate "right" when translated literally from German to English. "Ahead Standard" is just one example of that.

Personally, for RFB, I'm going for more of what titles were used in the USN during the war instead of a literal translation. That means using titles like "soundman," "radioman", and the above listed engine order examples.

Would do the same if the aim was realism. :yep:

Would have expected something like "sonarman" or "sonaroperator", instead of "soundman". But then I'm not familiar with the official designations. :hmm2:

Actually, both "soundman" and "sonarman" are correct for the WWII US Navy era. "Soundman" was the initial rating created for sonar operators (in 1942), and later on in the war (1943) it was merged into the new "Sonarman" rating.

Similar situation for the radioman changing to "radarman", or were those separate ratings? :06:


Maybe you can change the designation mid-game with a script. :hmmm:

Maximum accuracy, it's all in the details. :arrgh!: :lol: