Considering that Sky consistantly rants about peoples religions and you consistantly rant about peoples nationalities how different are you?

Well I'm not a catholic, that's for sure. Reading all these pedophile news from Germany makes me really relieved that I'm not one. :yeah:

It's not really Obama's fault that the Brits and Israelis are so touchy over a stance of neutrality. It's not our problem. The issue of the Falkland Islands has always been between Argentina and Britain since the 1800s; they just want us to voice our support for them so they can take the islands, or at least gain support from other nations because the United States' opinion is still valued for something since it's a superpower. We are obliged to do nothing; they are obliged to do nothing. The Israelis are no different; our situation with them is no different. And that's how simple it is.

And as far as "people who have called for and been party to attacks on innocents people, ours or others, we must do all we can to keep them from being offended" goes... evidently you must view the Brits and Israelis as perfect little angels who have never violated an international law before by killing civilians/innocents intentionally...

Though there was that time back during the 1920s when the British and Churchill (when he was still a war minister) were in favor of using newly developed weapons "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". Delayed action bombs, particularly efficient against children, were used as part of this experimenting, but Churchill preferred using the shock and awe tactic and use of chemical weapons, enthusiastically arguing for use of poison gases on "uncivilised tribes". He stated and I quote:

"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.
I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."

And yes, the gas was tested: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/19/iraq.arts

This is of course neglecting to mention what the Indians under Gandhi (and indeed Gandhi himself) had done to them when they nonviolently protested British colonial rule of a province that was rightfully theirs and was unfairly taken nearly a century and a half before.

Israel gets away with crap with the Palestinians all the time. This article sums them up the best, as far as recent times are concerned: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...rimes-guardian

Not to say we're innocent little angels either, because we've committed our fair share of crimes and injustices against innocents (especially the Native Americans and African-Americans).

Reagan ending the cold war. As laughable as the claim that he was the reason the Berlin Wall fell. The Soviet Union collapsed over a few decades (similar to the death of the Roman Empire; it took time), since the 1960s really. For one, the military was not what it once was; the war in Afghanistan had taken a hefty toll on them back in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Poor economic management was also to blame. Elaborating, the mills and industrial plants that churned out millions of weapons, tools, equipment, etc., from the 1940s to the 1960s were gradually breaking down in quality. With time, they became old and problematic. The government's central planning could no longer properly provide for everyone and shortages were common for most households. The standard of living was incredibly low compared to other surrounding countries, and this only made the people even more rebellious towards their overlords (though the amount of corruption in the bureaucracy certainly didn't help).

Their military still had some power, skill, and control, but everything else was just useless. And as a result, the people grew fed up with it. It was inevitable that any small push in any direction would make the whole thing collapse onto itself. A country as large and complex as the Soviet Union does not fall simply because of the actions of one man in one short time. It takes many combined problems over the course of ages to truly produce anything bad for a government that great. Much like our economy now: it was so large and complex that it took the combined efforts of numerous things to reduce it to what it is now.

He gave a speech about the Wall and Soviet Union, he put on his tough-guy acting skills (he did get something useful out of Hollywood after all), and people bought it without bothering to investigate any further the reasons for the fall of Communism in Europe- let alone the death of the Soviets. Reagan was an actor. A good, convincing actor. But an actor nevertheless, not a president. He could convince people that he was a president, but his flattering words and moving speeches did not solve anything. They never do. All they do is waste time, no matter who the person is that's doing the talking. They can inspire and provoke emotion, but they do not get anything done. The taking of action gets sh** done, precisely what Reagan lacked and precisely what the people of Germany and Russia had.

And indeed what Mikhail Gorbachev had. Perestroika intentionally brought down the Soviet Union from what it had been. As far as his actions at the Wall are concerned, he could have had all those people shot if he wanted. It was well within his abilities. Yet, he didn't.

I bet there is no racism at all in Finland. Everybody over there just loves the Roma people and the Sámi are socially and politically integrated.

To be honest, comments like yours seem rather dumb to me. Sorry for saying that.
If you live in a country which has a history like mine, and you see how far the society has come in terms of political correctness, fight against racism, fight againt neo-nazism and such, comments like yours are hurting and arrogant.
As if germany was the only country in the World which has black spots in it's history.

Skybird is just one of thousands, if not Millions of Anti-Muslim people around the world. He just happens to be german.

Being "Anti-Muslim" seems to be en vogue since 9/11. As if every Muslim in every country in the World is automatically a terrorist.

If terrorism aims at instilling fear and mistrust of my very neighbour and the destruction of civil and/or human rights - then it seems the terrorist were successful.

Because since 9/11, there are many, many people who fear that the Kebap Hut of ol' smiling Achmed would suddenly explode or that the Bus Driver in Dullsville would suddenly yell "Alllaaaaah!" and drive right into a pig pen.

JackAubrey,

I am not anti-Islam because of 9/11. I am against Islam because of it's content, because of it's claims and supremacism, because it is what it is.

But I certainly call everybody a dangerous fool who sings together with the with the choire that old refrain: "9/11 has had nothing to do with religion, Islam means peace".

Terror of this kind we could adapt to, we could get used to, we could elarn to live with it and to fight against it - if only part of our decadence wouldn'T be the loss of our willingness to fight and resist. But in general, terrorism is the smallest of my concerns as long as we do not speak nuclear proliferation. My quarrel with Islam is due to it's demand, it's ideology, it's message, and the massive spread of this barbaric and totalitarian, injust and inhumane ideology in Europe.

In the end, Islam sees itself as a culture-pendant to the term "Herrenrasse". It sees itself as the world's "Herrenkultur", the natural goal of man's evolution, and demands all other cultures to be submitted and destroyed, and all history deleted and rewritten.

That - and nothing else - is the reason why I am against Islam.

OK, so a US official goes against US policy and has to apologize because his statement runs the risk of damaging the work the actual diplomats are doing.

I don't quite see how this is an example of a country "bending over" to a massive global Islamic conspiracy:yawn:?

I'd say that the Roma have it better in Finland then in many other nations, including Germany.

The Sami don't yet have their own nation, that might require not just Finnish Sami but also Swedish, Norwegian and Russian Sami to form their own common nation. But the Finnish Sami do have an almost autonomic status and are guaranteed to things such as being tought their own language etc. But really, please tell if you know of cases of racism against the Sami in Finland, being part-Sami myself I'm kind of interested to hear it.

Of course not to mention the fact that all Finns are forced to speak Finnish-Swedish, our official second language, Jehova's witnesses are exempt from the military service as are people from the Åland. So I'd say that the minority situation is pretty good, it could be better in many ways and there is some cases where minorities especially the Swedish speaking minorities actually have things better then the Finnish speaking population.

As for the 'anti-islam'-crowd, ever since the end or world war 2 and even before that the racists can't really focus on race anymore, it's kind of not in vogue anymore. Instead modern racism focuses on ethnic and cultural purity etc., things that don't necessarily ring the racism-bell that quick. The same bunch also tries to deny the Holocaust from having taken place because they try to paint nazis and racism etc. in a more positive light.

Yeah Skybird isn't "anti islam"

Yes skybird believes in the bat****crazy version of fundamentalist gob****e interpretations and likes all views to coirrespond with his bat**** crazy version

And I would be interested to hear why you think that germany consists of racists. Or why they are as numerous as grains of sand in the Sahara. Normally, I try to take such comments in a polite and somewhat easy way but your comment sounded so condescending and hurting.

If somebody wrote "Drunk Man in Finland abused little girl" and I commented this with "Finding a drunk pedophile in Finland is like finding water in the Atlantic" then I would probably be the crazy german full of dumb stereotypes.
If someone else insults german people, then it's ok, because, you know, they did that Holocaust thing to the Jews 65 years ago and they are all the same racist nazis now that they were then.

But maybe I missed something about this Forum and it's perfectly Ok to insult ones nationality or country around here.

Jack Aubrey,

Well I'm not a nationalist myself, are you? I think nation states are an outdated concept that need to be replaced with units that are able to actually do something about the various problems and challenges such as natural resources, pollution, epidemics, poverty, etc. that threaten the entire planet. So you can say negative things about Finland, I won't mind. Although as I've warned previously, Dowly and Happy Times and other Finns here in Subsim Radio Room might take offence. :)

Thats a simple mistake you have made, you are approaching the subject from the wrong direction.
Try bending over as far as you can and then shoving your head up the nearest orifice on your body
Then your view should be clear enough to reach the same conclusions as Skybird and the multitude that share his views
Though strangely Sky tries to distance himself from those who share his views, as they are obviously nuttier than a sack of almonds.

Acourding to your logic, The Nazi's and in fact WWII were good things because 60 million people died.... Follow me on this, The greatest threat to Man and the earth is overpopulation of man.

"natural resources, pollution, epidemics, poverty, etc. that threaten the entire planet."

All man made issues! so lets get rid of nation states hug a tree or two and exterminate a couple billion people. Then and maybe then your socialist utopia can exist eh Comrade? As for the rest of us Racist, border loving nation states people well just wait for our next big war to come and fulfill the dream.:har:

I think you are just projecting your own thoughts. I don't think we need to 'cull' the population in order to solve the big problems facing humanity. However a higher degree of co-operation is needed.

Btw, I find it funny for some reason when Americans talk in favour of nation states.

That's my point. You may say all the negative things you want about my country or me being german, because if you say that germany consists of racist people like sand in the sahara, you're basically saying that I am racist because germans are racist.
But if I say negative things about Finland, then Finns take offense?
So Finns may take offense while germans are not allowed to?

No, I said I don't take offence. I can't talk for other people though, just like you can't talk for other Germans.

So you're a nationalist and take offence when people criticise your nation?

Obviously you either can not understand or you simply refuse to understand what I mean and rather politicize then answer. So there's no point in arguing with you. I will have to accept that in your world, the people of germany are racist.

Would that be Koltta Sami?

My family having partly Swedish and German roots puts me in to OTHs blacklist naturally. His backround points to what in Finland is known as backwater communists, plentiful in Lapland. They conducted terrorism in Lapland from 1918 for the Tseka. They provided intelligence for the NKVD during Winter War. During the Continuation War 41-44 they even participated in rape and killing of civilians, mostly babies, children and women, with the NKVD "partisans".

Results of backwater communist treason in Savukoski Lapland 1944.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7348/5080.jpg

My original statement, if you actually cared to read it, would actually translate more closely to "many people in Germany are racist", which is unfortunately true. You have turned it into "all Germans are racist", a really bad strawman attempt.

Happy Times,

wrong, dude! :haha: My Sami ancestry dates way before WW 2.

My Finnish side comes mainly from Ilmajoki, good luck trying to flip that into a 'commie hotspot'. :DL I also have some Kven ancestry.

But I have to say that it doesn't surprise me one bit to find out that you're not actually Finnish. It's often people like the Finnish-Swedish who make the biggest asses of themselves with blatant racism etc. and consider themselves to be above average Finns, let alone Sami etc.

You should go more often to Ilmajoki and engage in debates there.:har:
Half of my family comes from Southern Ostrobothnia, Kauhajoki and also Ilmajoki, mixed Finnish and Swedish. Other half is mixed Karelian and German from occupied Karelia. My mother tongue is Finnish. I consider myself a very typical Finn, i just know my family history, most are not interested.

I only have my mothers mothers and mothers fathers relatives in Ilmajoki, mostly distant cousins. Many are already dead, I think some of their children still live in Laihia.

I have been to Ilmajoki, didn't get into fights. Many like wrestling over there. Lots of farming etc. there. Not a bad place, once you get to know some people there.