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this is an answer, as i exspected.

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i appreciate your honesty, very much!!! thanks a lot for this answer. i really trust in your efforts, dan. we never met, but to the last subsim meetings...i heard youre really nice guy. i believe in that. please stay in close contact to the community here.

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as we need to mod the game...is there any manual coming, concerning the mod tools? i bought it, although i first didnt wanted to. but i see the potential of this game...and i want to mod it. but we modders need some more explaination on the tools.

Thank you for this quite honest post.
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Dan is here answering things, taking responsibility and being honest.
Not everybody can do this, I respect your actions and thank you Dan.
It might be a long road, but not giving up before trying :up:

An honest reply, Ela.
I work in the aviation sector, where people always have an opinion about everything as well, despite most of them don't know what they're talking about.
Being a game dev is rather similar in that respect I guess. Did I quit my job yet? No, certainly not and I am glad to see you didn't either.

People are just that way, especially on the net. They have this urge to write their opinion, make their voice heard.

Of course you will find valid statements often as well, no doubt. But there's a lot of yelling going on by people with little understanding of the matter (look at politics, aviation, development, you name it).

Nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them, nor should you. I think your honest statement is appreciated and while, of course in all honesty it is questionable as to why it should be this way, let's just hope the community will unite once again to make this a kick-a$$ game!

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Originally Posted by Gunnodayak (Post 1292391)

It seems that you, mate, don't have the required manners to post on this forum. I do, maybe you should learn from me how to speak and how to choose your words.
Maybe some moderator should see these words you've just spoken to me.

And crying for moderators when no personal insults where made is showing good manners ? :06:

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1292426)

I guess not :haha:, been too busy with my new born child these past few days :DL, have only had chance to catch up now, is it really that bad? :oops:

Congrats! :up:

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1292426)

is it really that bad? :oops:

Of course people had a very high expectations, SH5 is still unfinished...
But when I compare to both SH4 and SH3 on release, then it's not that bad, I would even say it's a bit better.

Of course there's a lot of hysteria...

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Originally Posted by elanaiba (Post 1292441)

So, for my final statement of the day, NO, I am not happy with the state of SH5. Of course, except for SH3 - which was not perfect either - I have never been happy with the release of any of my projects.

Yes, Gunnodayak, it took me time to write this long answer, and I waited for the lunchbreak in order not to disturb my current work assignments.

A decent answer, congrats! Maybe some of your colleagues should do that as well. But there's a tricky part in your answer, as well, I've noticed it. You are saying that you are not happy all the time with your projects, and you want to put the emphasis on the fact that you are a perfectionist, not on the fact that the SH5 game may be disastrous.
Anyway, it's better than nothing, after this message I may be not so aggressive with your little SH5 game. This pseudo "mea culpa" is welcomed.

Takes a brass pair to be that honest. Gotta respect that.

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Originally Posted by ichso (Post 1292470)

And crying for moderators when no personal insults where made is showing good manners ? :06:

If for you
"Hey Gunnodayak, why do you even come to this forum?

Do we have to see you bitch every day..
And what with the hate towards your own people..
Cut it out, it looks terrible from the outside..
The devs don't need your great criticism, we don't need it."
is not a personal insult ... I have nothing more to say.

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Originally Posted by IanC (Post 1292475)

Takes a brass pair to be that honest. Gotta respect that.

/this.

Speaks volumes of the man.

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I wondered if we refunded this game whether it would send a message to Dan's managers that this release state is unacceptable.

what does everyone think?

thanks also Dan for your honesty.

I have hopes that SH5 will be better for each patch that is released and later with mods it will probably surpass SH3/GWX3.

When designing a game/simulation I am sure there is a lot of critical decisions (thanks to limited time, resources and budget) to be made and perhaps leave some stuff open for modding and concentrate on the stuff that has the greatest impact for all players of these type of games.

I don't see it as a cheap way for UBI to get away from putting every wish into the game but it's rather a bold step of a publisher to allow modding (and make it easy and also make tools for it) and there is two sides of this hobby, those who love to purely play and those who love to play as much as they like to be creative and make great mods for a great game/platform.

I had a rough start with SH5, felt the tutorial was bit limited but I got through it and the rest is about learning the game (and not expect everything to be just a upgraded graphics engine for SH3), will most likely run into bugs as I dive deeper ;)

Thanks for the honest post elanaiba.

By the way, has anyone of you heard of a beautiful song played by Thin Lizzy, "Honesty Is No Excuse"? I am still trying to see if it is, in this particular instance.

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Originally Posted by Gunnodayak (Post 1292517)

By the way, has anyone of you heard of a beautiful song played by Thin Lizzy, "Honesty Is No Excuse"? I am still trying to see if it is, in this particular instance.

Yes, I have it on my shelf right here next to "Don't rain on my parade" by the Ubisoft male voice choir.

Thank you for your honesty Dan, I am sure you will in time make SH5 what it should have been on release and thanks for the great mod tools.

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C - legitimate concerns about some design choices - like for example the interface. Part of these I can understand, but I am not that concerned since most can be fixed easily by modding. Getting a SH4 style interface back in the game is very easy.

This is my major gripe, but I say that knowing that in time, it will be remedied, just like the bugs. The difficult part is the waiting, I was hoping to dive into the game out of the box.

Elanaiba, I appreciated your response. Very principled and courageous.

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Originally Posted by Sonarman (Post 1292530)

Yes, I have it on my shelf right here next to "Don't rain on my parade" by the Ubisoft male voice choir

I bet the song you are mentioning it have the required potential to be a hit on the music charts!:)

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Originally Posted by Gunnodayak (Post 1292537)

I bet the song you are mentioning it have the required potential to be a hit on the music charts!:)

Judging by your recent posts I'm sure you'd prefer a castratii version!

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Originally Posted by Sonarman (Post 1292541)

Judging by your recent posts I'm sure you'd prefer a castratii version!

No, really ... I don't have something particular against the dev team or UBI as a whole. We are the only ones to blame, because we've bought the game, the previews were very clear. The only think I expect is some honesty from the devs. I am not sure that the game can be modded and turned into a simulator, but I hope. Very little, but I do. That's why I am making such a fuss, to wake them up a little from their dreams. Alexandru Gris (the project manager) has taken me as a fool and told me: "You'll be amazed by this game!!!", just a couple of weeks before the release. That was one thing that annoyed me, to be taken as a fool. If he would have said to me: "OK, sucker, this game is crap, we know that, we are trying to sell it to casual players, but maybe in time we will manage to put the game on its feet somehow, but not now, you must understand that we need money first and maybe only after that, art and principles", I swear that I would have been totally on silent running on this forum. This kind of approach is good when you are speaking to a 10 years old child, when you are trying to fool him, it was not suitable for me. So, I feel ripped off in some degree. Don't accuse me for that.

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Originally Posted by elanaiba (Post 1292441)

Well, I cannot post everything that I could say, indeed. But still:

Negative Feedback received about Silent Hunter generally fits into the following categories:

A - wrong expectations (some thing are just not in the scope of sh5)
B - legitimate concerns about bugs and unfinished features - Most are NOT news to me, since I have a list bigger than the forum. Trust me, you cannot match my expectations - but then again, the same could be said by most of the serious, passionate game developers out there.
C - legitimate concerns about some design choices - like for example the interface. Part of these I can understand, but I am not that concerned since most can be fixed easily by modding. Getting a SH4 style interface back in the game is very easy.

As I was saying in another thread, I have no reservations that WITH TIME (equal patches + mods) this will be THE ONLY SUBSIM TO PLAY. Calling this game arcade is wrong, its no more arcade than SH3 or 4. Calling this an RPG is partly wrong, is simply as simulation as the games before but with an extra layer of RPG like crew development.

I am not at all happy with the current state of the RPG parts (long story) but:
a) nobody is forcing people to use them
b) they can be modded into something more realistic

I will stand by the concept of the RPG parts any day, because I have read enough books to understand that some things that happen in war are simply not justified by technical specifications and field manuals. At some point the man is the one that matters the most.

Before I close this down, I have two more things to say:

1) Ubisoft is a company, of which Ubisoft Romania is a part. Please stop separating the two. Not everything that is good is our merit, not everything that is bad is "the suits" fault. I, of all people, have my parts in the failures of SH5. The people "high up" could have simply decided not to do another SH, just as you guys can choose not to buy.

2) Please stop trying to create a war / antagonism between modders and devs, we need each other.

So, for my final statement of the day, NO, I am not happy with the state of SH5. Of course, except for SH3 - which was not perfect either - I have never been happy with the release of any of my projects.

I have much trust in the potential of SH5, but I am not a fortune teller. Did I quit my job after the launch? No. Am I not a man? I wonder.

People might not buy the game, miss on fun, and not suffer any problems that the game has at the moment. But for the guys that did invest their trust in us, I'd say they need us here.

Yes, Gunnodayak, it took me time to write this long answer, and I waited for the lunchbreak in order not to disturb my current work assignments.

- Respect :up: