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This is very interesting. Last night I was on the Official Ubisoft site for Silent Hunter 5 and noticed the biggest thread on the site was people expressing their dislike of the new DRM. It had close to 400 posts and was roughly twice the size of the next largest thread.

hmm I can understand UBI a little bit. Not in a whole but a little. The posters exaggerated to much in posts against DRM. In both, quality and quantity. Not to mention the behavior between some members among each other.
On the other hand it is not very clever to close threads and clean up the forum in a cloak and dagger operation without warning the members that are affected (wich they hadn't as far as i can see). I mean you can't manage a forum like this. No wounder people don't like that method and blame you for it.

Perhaps the people who wanted to talk about the game (ie their customers) were getting constantly shouted down by people who aren't buying the game (ie not their customers). :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by Schunken (Post 1281465)

I would not use the Terrm "Gestapo" that easily.

Gestapo was not simply delete posts out of a message board - Gestapo was kill men, women and even childs.... so lets use this term in respect of their victims....

Andreas

Oh really ? Who would say that... ?
And Kriegsmarine was shooting virtual convoys scripted by Ubisoft ?

If You don't understand symbolism of this forum's "vocabulary" - you can join Tom&Jerry cartoons forum... it's all straight and fair.
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I'm not going to look for any excuses for Ubisoft. :nope:

They did a Bonehead move and their Offical website speaks for itself.:yep:

Predicting their sale loss is, like predicting the Lottery numbers.

Only time will tell.

I have no doubts that other game publishers are watching this closely.

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Perhaps the people who wanted to talk about the game (ie their customers) were getting constantly shouted down by people who aren't buying the game (ie not their customers). :hmmm:

From what i´ve seen most flak was aimed at the company, to include moderators. While the anger is understandable from my perspective, i wouldn't be as thick as to create an account on corp. forums, deploy the flamethrower, and expect to come back later for another session. Some people were seemingly not operating with a full deck. Of the posts locked/deleted - some were ill-presented, not all. Voicing legit concerns, shouldn't be met by silence, or some witty remark by a forum mod. It contributed to escalating things over there.

That's why 3rd person organizations like subsim are great

...dont take it too personal Adriatico... !!!

but Gestapo shoot civiliance and poeple who resist....Kriegsmarine shoot at ships that (even later in the war) was escorted and sometimes equipped with one or to cannons....

Gestapo really was the lowest level that menkind can become...

Maybe I too sensitives because my Grandpa was go to Gestapo-jail and never was seen again, but this is another story...

...it was just a generally public remeinder.... , ok?

Andreas

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Gestapo really was the lowest level that menkind can become...

I agree absolutely - and offer my deepest condolences for the tragic loss of your grandfather - but please remember still that it's common parlance to use expressions like "language nazi" when referring to someone who's a stickler for grammar. A tad unthoughtful, yes, but there's precious little one can really do even then...

Sorry for the digression guys, please carry on :D

I'll say this again here since I don't see anyone mentioning the fact that Ubisoft is not the only company using this new "constant online connection" approach. Take Two (parent of 2K Games) is also using it and they are catching it from every direction, too.

I wonder if Ubisoft will try to pressure Amazon and other online sites that offer user reviews to remove the zero rated reviews for the implementation of DRM & OSP?

Does deleting threads equate to burning books?

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Originally Posted by GertFroebe_neu (Post 1281337)

How about germans learning english? ;)

PS.: Just kidding.

I've found that it's easier for me to understand Germans speaking English than to understand English speaking English. (I'm American.)

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis (Post 1281655)

Don't think they will, Amazon is a powerhouse retailer that dwarfs an UBI. I look up products that I am contemplating purchasing on Amazon and when I read the review I just shake my head and walk away.

Here is a good example of Amazon at work the LotR, Blu-Ray Theatrical release is set for 4-10. It got thrashed because they are holding onto the Extended Version until next year! So it got over 2000 negative reviews pre-release. It will not sell and folks will just wait till 2011!

http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Pic...7209523&sr=8-1

Some products get royally trashed on Amazon, Amazon could care less, they just want to sell. When I put together my HTPC I followed Amazon customer recommendations and chose Pioneer over Denon and Onkyo. I have never regretted the decision. The customer reviews were spot on!

As far as deleting unwanted threads, its their forum, its certainly poor form, and if the customer is always right, they have broken the first and only rule. All you can do is spend your money elsewhere.

Agreed, Brag. They forget that the customer always gets what they want from someone willing and able to produce it. The process is sometimes slow and a bit painful, but it always works.

You'll remember that the PC architecture was begun as a closed box IBM machine, which kept all PCs manufactured by a single company, which was slow to provide for the needs of its customers. Then Compaq and others started producing IBM compatible machines, thousands of companies began making superhuman efforts to attract your business and provide new features. The result is the PC you likely have in front of you or in your lap, a machine undreamed of by its original corporate masters.

Economics and evolution are similar in that any vacuum represents an opportunity for some species to occupy a place in the food chain that lacks competition.

Look at the way Aldi has moved into the US after cleaning Wal-Mart's clock in Germany. You can save at least 20% over similar products at Wal-Mart and usually get better quality. Wal-Mart arrogantly lost billions of dollars in Germany. Unable to compete with Aldi, it had to liquidate all German property and move out of the country. Quietly, in the US, Aldi is occupying the vacant low price/high market efficiency position vacated by the now-fat monster. They may only sell food, but that is enough to give Wal-Mart a colossal headache.

Customers hate a company who doesn't meet their needs and refuses to care about the people who send them money. Companies who go the Ubi path are dead men walking. Hope they realize their missteps and reverse course, but that is almost never the case. The larger a company gets, the smaller their brain gets and the longer a message takes to get from the field to the corporate moguls. Conformity takes the place of innovation and customer focus. Finally you can sledge-hammer the tail of the dinosaur and a couple of months later the head says "Ouch!" I hear they DO make very tender and tasty steaks.:D

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Originally Posted by GertFroebe_neu (Post 1281337)

How about germans learning english? ;)

trying but the sauerkraut makes it dufficilt :)

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Originally Posted by scrapser (Post 1281653)

The main difference is Take Two doesn't make anything I want to play. :haha:
Not to mention their entirely flash driven websites are total junk.

I really do feel bad for the Devs though. They made another GREAT game, but because their publisher is the Devil they might fail because the only way to get back at the publisher in this case is through the Developer. :(

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis (Post 1281655)

Does deleting threads equate to burning books?

That´s a begining. :nope:

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Originally Posted by Wilcke (Post 1281701)

Here is a good example of Amazon at work the LotR, Blu-Ray Theatrical release is set for 4-10. It got thrashed because they are holding onto the Extended Version until next year! So it got over 2000 negative reviews pre-release. It will not sell and folks will just wait till 2011!

Well that's good, I hate all that theatrical release, then the director's cut, then the 'ultimate cut' version. That's piracy :D. Especially when they film all the 'deleted scenes' only so they can put them in for the 'director's cut'.

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins (Post 1281708)

Actually IBM willfully sold (licensed) the blueprint for their computer so others could produce them; hence the term, "IBM Clone". The thinking was that if there were lots and lots of IBM type computers out there, all the software development companies would focus on producing IBM compatible software. It worked in the United States. In Europe at the same time, the Commodore Amiga was the leading platform of choice. What killed the Amiga was the company's owner who made horrible business decisions that overextended the company's finances and they went bankrupt.

Think about it. The Amiga was a 16 bit computer with a Windows like operating system (called Workbench) with onboard sound and graphics in 1985! Windows 3.0 and a 16 bit PC didn't arrive until the early 90's.

I miss Amiga sorely.

Wow... Ubi is acting like a censor...:-? Not good...