Excuse me, but didn't you say: Next time I'll just take the can without them knowing. :hmmm:

Saying you "expected more from me" implies that if I pretend I didn't read that, I am ok. How could have ever expected me to ignore that?

But we're still mates :O:

It was an analogy in an effort to demonstrate how the average gamer feels DRM complicates his life without any gains and actually promotes such "shortcuts", not how I'm going to act. Besides I said "taking the can without them(the DRM 'watchdog', which may or may not be the same as the developer) noticing", not "without paying".
edit: In the case of SH5 it might be that the latter approach is impossible.

The problem with DRM, it is alienating large numbers of people, thus worsening the piracy problem.

Ok, I understand, so you were speaking from the viewpoint of the typical gamer? I offer my sincere apologies, I read that as if Fincuan were gearing up to steal games. I am relieved to know that's not the case, I expected more from you than that too! Glad to know my expectations were well-founded, thanks. :yep: Edit: PS: you have to remember it's hard for me to know all of you as well as you know me :( Sorry

Possibly, but those who choose to let this sway them into piracy, do not have strong principles to begin with.

If this DRM bothered me so much, I would buy the game, make a video of me burning it, and post it on YouTube. Now that would make a statement!

I'm probably treading very close to the brig on this, but ...

Edit: Yes, that's commonly known. --NS

Mods - if this is unacceptable, please edit or delete. I'm fine with that.

Then you could just burn your money as well, lol. In this world of crysis, I don't think it would be well regarded to burn your own money. :haha:

Some of us will push back by refusing to be part of at all. This does not mean we'll become part of the problem. Won't buy it, won't play it either.

Oh I agree, I'll be making my stand by refusing to buy it as well, heck, it's not as if I'm short on games! But there are people who will go the other way, and right or wrong, it will be Ubi's own doing.

Whether the individual decides to boycott the game because of the DRM or chooses to buy it despite having misgivings is entirely down to each individuals choice.

Turning to or supporting the position regarding piracy can not and should not be condoned in any way shape or form.

+1

+1

Just because I am not buying SHV or any other Ubi game because of the OSP does not make me part of the problem. I have no plans to obtain the game in any form until Ubi either releases it without OSP, or it hits the bargain bins where a $10 investment make me say so what if I can only play it online. It makes me an informed consumer making a choice NOT a supporter of software piracy.

Then you will pay for a whole lot of "other people".
I still dont need that cop right there.

Down with it.
The more i see talk about it, the more i feel like kicking the dead horse or some stupd beancounter donkey in th butt.

This is my PC. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/8/8f/FMJ-M14.jpg

Haha nice FMJ ref

I think some of you missed the point of the comic, it is actually a statement against piracy.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/2010/2/19/

Anyhow for all you would be pirates ready to 'stick it to the man' by pirating SH5, I wouldn't hold your breath. I don't expect this DRM to be broken any time soon, and SH5 would be the last game on the list to bother with (particularly when compared to AC2 and SC Conviction), if ever.

I will not be buying any further Ubisoft games due to this new form of DRM until the DRM is removed (which may happen if sales are actually worse with it). Being angry over the DRM does not give license to steal the work, the DRM is there largely because of stealing. Software piracy has become a huge problem due to the ease at which people can now commit it. Any drooling moron can do it now, as evidenced by the huge numbers of idiots who contact tech support over problems with their stolen game.

Piracy has gotten so far out of hand that it is not unusual for games to hit 4:1 or higher pirated:bought ratios. Some games have hit 90% piracy rates (that means out of 10 people who have the game 9 are pirates)! No matter how you slice it this is costing the companies a fortune, especially when compared to console piracy rates, which are considerably lower (well below 1:1) due to the added difficulty, and if it continues it will eventually wreck PC gaming.

Now I am not going to say that the game companies are all saints. They release plenty of garbage that is either just bad, buggy, and/or broken. I'm sure everyone of us can point to at least one game we bought where we got ripped off. Sometimes they fix the game, too often they don't, or just barely make the game work. A lot of this is their fault sure, but piracy doesn't help either. Number of copies sold helps determine if its economical to patch the game or not. I don't agree with game companies doing this, and I think when they do this, they are stealing from us. But this doesn't justify wholesale piracy back either, as its not the bad games that get pirated like crazy, its the top games; games that the game companies deserve to be paid for, for making a good game.

Anyhow all I am going to say on this issue.

Actually I think the cartoon is rather funny and probably quite realistic. Most will travel the path of least resistance.

Bottom line is some of the most "seasoned" subsimmers are.. shall we say "unhappy" with this whole DRM thing. :hmmm:

This whole piracy thing is hogwash... we all know that everything gets pirated or knocked off.. from Gucci bags to jeans to video games. So give it up.. DRM will not stop or slow down the wheels of "hacking" or whatever you want to call it. If I could tell you how many "pirated" movie dvds I have seized over the years, the number is staggering. I have friends who work for NYC sanitation that havent had to rent or go to the movies for years because of seizure "rewards". And in the face of thousands arrests nothing has stemmed the tide of the waves of pirated stuff.

So will it prevent or prevail?... or will be just another PITA kinda like childproof lighters, pill bottles, doors etc. Only time will tell.

I firmly stand on what I know.. SH3 GWX is the greatest subsim I have ever played. If it has to be the last one I ever play.. so be it. :nope:

Sorry in advance... :-?

So Right.:up:

So fitting, flying to a SubSim meeting and can't play SH5 to while the flight away. :roll:

:rotfl2::rock:

Oh wait. I just used those two together responding to another statement of yours.

But it's so true, and you are so right with that one.:sunny:

Oh, wait again. I promised I wasn't going to talk about 'IT' anymore!:damn:

But this was so good!:|\\

I look at it this way... Pirates sometimes DL a game they wouldnt have ever buyed... Ither way, the publisher would have got nothing,

If he would have found out about the DRM, and not bought the game... no money gained.

If he pirated the game The company dosent really loose anything, they didnt have to pay for the disc, or the publisher to print it... No money gained.

Im not saying piracy is right, but ither way, they lost a sell...

(why do I feel im gonna get blasted.)

Can someone point me to a place where a software company has presented their actual losses due to so-called "piracy"?

well said! :up:

I do not support piracy but I also do not want to support such crazy DRM. Currently I see no reason for me to go from SH3 GWX to SH5...

<loads cannons and comes about for a broadside>

Oh sure pirates steal lots of games that they never would have bought, but they also steal a lot of games they would have bought if they couldn't have pirated it, and that costs the publisher money. DRM becomes important during the first few months the game goes on sale; the longer the delay between the game going on the market and it showing up on the internet, the more copies they will sell as people give in to waiting and decide to buy it rather then steal it when it eventually gets cracked.

This is why a lot of cross platform games have long delays before the pc version gets released, not because the port isn't ready in time, but to delay the inevitable and hopefully get more sales out of the console games (studies have shown that console sales drop dramatically if a pirate version of the same game is available for pc at the same time). This is also shown by the sales of console games vs similar pc games (console game sales can be 10 times higher currently) even though theoretically there are way more pc's capable of playing the game then there are console owners.

Ultimately its human nature and greed, and this time its not publisher greed, it's consumer/gamer greed. Why pay for something when you can get it for free.