T-shirts!
A good way to show the flag, is on T-shirts.
I personaly dislike to wear a hat, but that also works well.

The ultimate is face painting.

Hope your dad is doing well now.

this is exactly what our government likes to think: everyone raising the national flag or speaking up is a nazi. Neonazis are crazy, but it's equally mad to see nazis where there aren't any.
It's like hearing voices in your head. No matter how twisted you are, not every single voice you hear is a fake one. Sometimes there are some genuine people talking to you.
Similarly, not everyone not supporting the build of a huge mosque in a residential area is a nazi.
In fact, 99% aren't.

From lots of your posts I can see you're quite left-wing.
I can't blame you, I'm a socialist myself, but I do think left-extremists are much too easy in calling someone a nazi. Everyone not left-wing is labeled as such nowadays, with all the consequences.
Talk about discrimination. Left wing extremists are equally hard discriminating everyone who doesn't agree with them as right-wing extremists discriminate foreigners/jews/you name it.
To quote one of my favorite bands:

Not just your government, it'S all european governments, and most people, the all-to-totalitarian consensus-society that enforces your agreement and voluntary tolerance all too willingly, not to mention that it is the most favourite hobby of the pro-Islamic Gutmenschen, and of the the PC-brigade, and that it is almost official EU policy.

Defend your identity, your culture, your laws and values and ethical standards, defend what makes euope actually europe, forget just ojne time when you say somethign that whatever yu say the opposite of what you say also is true and valid and precious, and that everything that is different than what you defend, or is hostile to what you defend nevertheless is of equal value and on the same cultural eye level with your own culture - and you get called a radical, a Nazi, a xyz--phobe immediately. Verdammte Gleichmacherei! No qualitative distinctions are being made anymore, anything and everything gets deneid in the name of featureless, non-hierarchical equality of just EVERYTHING. We live in the total tolerance society, and we have to tolerate everything as long as it is not ourselves, and have to be intolerant to those who remind us of ourselves. And that is for a reason:

We oversee that tolerance NEVER is shown by the weaker in the face of the stronger. Tolerance always gets shown by the strong one towards the weak one, with a haughty, condescending attitude he snips some breadcrumbs from the table and thinks he is so great when doing so, but it is sheer arrogance, sheer power. The weak, on the other hand, never is tolerant when he think he is - acutally, he just is weak and suffers what he has to suffer from the hand of the stronger. Only suffering from Stockholm syndrome may turn the weak into a believer of his own tolerance. Be punishing those of us not being "tolerant", we supress every hint that maybe in the challenges and conflicts that are brought upon us we are not on the strong side, but that we are the weak ones - the loosers in this clash. If we are tolerant, we assume to be strong.
But our voluntary tolerance is enfor4ced, actually we are weak and helpless. All europe is in the grip of a collective Stockholm syndrome.

Tolerance is the continuation of helplessness by other means.

Tolerance is the determination to be powerless.

Tolerance is the escape into enforced voluntariness.

And we - we tolerate ourselves to death.

Read what Highbury and Dan D above wrote. So to answer your question, yes I am for real. My question is, are you for real or are you just play acting on the Internets?

DarkFish,

I think your dad should stop breaking the law. Jail/prison isn't a nice place for someone his age.

Also, to wave a flag isn't patriotism. If it was then every chump in a football match should be called one. With the obvious difference to your dad that they are doing it legally.

And *I* think maybe you should read the thread before you post?:shifty:

yes, that too is an act of patriotism. But since there are no mosques involved in a football match nobody gives a damn. But the moment somebody shouts the word "muslim" everybody puts down his flags in fear of being called a nazi.
The few who don't - well, look at my dad...

To disturb a council meeting is against the law where I come from, it's also very bad manners which should be clear to anyone with any kind of upbringing.

Yea exactly like the US and coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan who are killing and torturing, oh that's right, muslims.

It seems odd to me that there's nothing in the news about this. Really- I mean there's nothing on Google's news search feature. Nothing at all...

http://news.google.com/news/search?a...erlands+muslim

If this really did happen, someone would be outraged by it. And by someone, I mean some sort of political/idealist group. Because this kind of stuff is always big news, let alone a big motivator for their agendas- and I won't pass speculation on what they may be.

So why haven't we seen anything on it yet?:hmmm:

I went back and read the posts of both Highbury, and Dan.
Neither had anything to do with the question I asked you.

Let us try the question again.
You think raising one's own flag, in one's own country, is neo-nazi?

It seems the Netherlands has lost it's way since the days of the Pilgrims asylum there. My first subversive thoughts were to open up a real Southern Bar-B-Que joint selling pork spare ribs or a Church of Scientology across the street from the proposed mosque. Then I thought your dad should sue for false arrest and imprisonment for denying him his free speech rights.

Then I thought a more productive avenue for you and your Dad would be to become activists in the movement to prevent and vigorously prosecute honor killings.

http://www.feminist.com/news/vaw26.html

where I come from it's called disturbance when you start shouting and such. Visitors hold up banners all the time, no problem. You can raise any flag you want, nobody cares. Maybe these things are "very bad manners" where you come from, but here it's nothing special.
Problem is, once you raise the Dutch flag when discussing a mosque, everyone jumps up and calls you a racist (look at yourself, it's exactly what you are doing)
what the heck does Iraq have to do with this?:-? Nobody mentioned anything about Iraq, if you want to discuss Iraq why don't you go here for example

heh. The Dutch press are too afraid to publish things like this cause they know that they'll be called racists themselves the minute they start defending my dad. Things like this have happened before, the press knows they shouldn't publish such things by now. Racismophobia goes far here:nope:
The only place where I could find anything on this is on right-extremist sites, who've got nothing to lose since they're racists already.
And these sites use it only as a means of propaganda for their cause:nope:
anyway, here's an article on one of those sites (in Dutch):
http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/index.php?pagina=10499
google translation (mind you, it's in the usual google-translate-english:O:):
http://translate.google.com/translat...99&sl=nl&tl=en

Nothing special? What a strange country you live in. But then again the Netherlands is pretty, you know, out there. I know, I've been there.

You said that people somehow give muslims some special status. I think they don't even have similar human rights considering how their deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan haven't led to any kind of condemnation in the west. They've had the equivalent of a 9/11 of deaths each month for years and years and the west is completely silent about it.

strange country? maybe. But at least here it is still allowed for people to speak up for your beliefs.
No, I don't know.:-? Feel free to say what you want to say about the Netherlands, It's not like I'll smack you if I don't like what I hear;)
Oh? did I? Can you point me to any post in this thread where I said such thing? You're not a good listener, are you?
listen, I'm as much against what's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan as you are. But this is not the thread to discuss that. Iraq/Afghanistan and here have nothing to do with each other.

Don't feed the troll Darkfish. Hope everything works out for your father.

Darkfish,

Uwe vader is een rasechte Nederlander :salute:
Hij stond teminste op voor zijn land wat meerdere eens moeten gaan doen.

HunterICX

Signs of demonic possession:

4 The person speaks in tongues

:hmmm:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com...5437631397.jpg

Damn it, I could understand most of it (calls an exorcist).:damn:

Freedom of speech has always had limits, it has never been absolute anywhere in the world and Netherlands is no exeption. I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with your nations laws and statues so you'll know better when you break laws and good customs.

Your prostitution situation is bit messed up to say the least. Human trade from eastern Europe and from around the world has gone on for a long time and a lot of criminal activity is involved in it. Plus your drug politics have created not only a haven for the so called mild drugs such as cannabis but strong drugs as well.

But hey if you wanna fight me mano a mano I'm cool with that as well. You wouldn't be the first bonehead I clash with IRL.

Listener? I'm sure you mean reader?

As for the part about muslim's and their status, read below.

It has to do with the fact that you don't seem to give muslims the same human rights and value as westeners. It's all very familiar from modern racism that no longer focuses on race but on cultural factors.

oh? I didn't know you were an expert on the subject of Dutch law and customs.
I would guess that a native Dutchman would know a little more about the Dutch law/customs than a Fin.
Again you change the subject and give examples that have NOTHING to do with what we're taking about:roll:
As for the matter of drugs, why don't you read this report and educate yourself a bit on the matter of how well the Dutch drug policy actually works.
Oh, so now suddenly I am a bonehead? And being threatened as well?
Can you point me to ANY place on the web where I said anything racistic?
No, you can't but that doesn't matter a thing for you, does it?
yes, I meant reader:shifty: Are you happy now?
once again:
Can you point me to ANY place on the web where I said such thing?

You accuse me of being a racist without any proof to support that. Because there isn't any proof cause I am not a racist.

I believe they've got a nice word for people like you, its
TROLL

:har:

Oh, ad hominem. That ought to get you banned.