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Torvald Von Mansee 01-28-10 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1249838)
If I had a medieval sense of justice i'd be advocating putting that animal on the rack. All I was saying is that while I am normally against the death penalty i'd make an exception in his case. That's because there is absolutely no doubt about his guilt.

Heh. Humans are all primitive. Women like tall men. Why? Because tall men can see further to find prey for hunting in a hunting and gathering situation. In our modern world, we don't have to worry about food (well, most of us), and added height really is no longer as handy as it used to be. Yet women still like tall men. I guess it's the same deal w/vengeance.

August 01-28-10 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee (Post 1250353)
Heh. Humans are all primitive. Women like tall men. Why? Because tall men can see further to find prey for hunting in a hunting and gathering situation. In our modern world, we don't have to worry about food (well, most of us), and added height really is no longer as handy as it used to be. Yet women still like tall men. I guess it's the same deal w/vengeance.

It's not vengeance Torvald. I don't want to see him tortured, just made dead before he can infect others.

Weiss Pinguin 01-28-10 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee (Post 1250353)
Heh. Humans are all primitive. Women like tall men. Why? Because tall men can see further to find prey for hunting in a hunting and gathering situation. In our modern world, we don't have to worry about food (well, most of us), and added height really is no longer as handy as it used to be. Yet women still like tall men. I guess it's the same deal w/vengeance.

I always figured it was because shorter guys like me just didn't look as imposing. :p2:

kranz 01-29-10 06:35 AM

For me being against death penalty is making NO exceptions. No matter what were the circumstances. What is more I wouldn't call him an animal-as far as I know even animals are not a cruel as humans. I would also not rely death penalty on the doubt of guilt or not. Tribesman: what you suggest is just cutting a hand for stealing, cutting the tongue for lying(this form of verb is probably wrong but u know what i mean). Simply it won't do. We would have to many invalids. Personally: the more cruel ways of punishing we make the more similar to "them" we become. The only difference is the so-called "law" that "allows" us to kill them and forbides them to kill us.

Skybird 01-29-10 07:21 AM

Let's take bloody revenge! :yeah:

At least that'S what this thread smells like.

:hmmm: Determination not only is something different than emotional arousal and rage. Determination even has the absence of emotional arousal as a precondition.

August 01-29-10 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1250883)
as far as I know even animals are not a cruel as humans.

Obviously kranz you have never owned a cat. :)

kranz 01-29-10 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1251064)
Obviously kranz you have never owned a cat. :)

yeah, actually I haven't but once I had my leg "raped" by a dog:wah:

Torvald Von Mansee 01-29-10 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1250580)
It's not vengeance Torvald. I don't want to see him tortured, just made dead before he can infect others.


August: you know, whenever I hear someone say "Well, killing a murderer won't bring back the victim(s)" I always counter with "please list all the murderers that killed again after being executed."

Torvald Von Mansee 01-29-10 09:56 AM

Appended to the above: when I say "murderer," I mean someone we know w/absolute certainty IS a murderer (like the guy who sparked this thread).

Btw, his execution date has been set for March 18th. He opted for, strangely enough, the electric chair!!! I guess we'll get some of our bloody vengeance, then, as that is almost certainly a really nasty way to go.

kranz 01-29-10 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee (Post 1251150)
He opted for, strangely enough, the electric chair!!! I guess we'll get some of our bloody vengeance, then, as that is almost certainly a really nasty way to go.

yeah that's well fcked up. But actually according to this latest issues with lethal injection there is no good method. We can only imagine what happens after the shot and so on but those who were opposing d.penalty raised the question of possible pain inflicted. For me it's just crazy that you are able to decide how you want to die...:nope:

August 01-29-10 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee (Post 1251142)
August: you know, whenever I hear someone say "Well, killing a murderer won't bring back the victim(s)" I always counter with "please list all the murderers that killed again after being executed."

Exactamundo my friend! My only real objection to the DP is it's use when the guilt of the accused is less than 100% certain (hence my lack of objections in this case).

Torvald Von Mansee 01-29-10 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1251341)
yeah that's well fcked up. But actually according to this latest issues with lethal injection there is no good method. We can only imagine what happens after the shot and so on but those who were opposing d.penalty raised the question of possible pain inflicted. For me it's just crazy that you are able to decide how you want to die...:nope:

Well...actually...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation

They could actually do that to a guy while he's sleeping while not telling him it's going to happen that particular night. He'll probably think he's having a weird dream before nothingness/whatever comes...

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1251351)
Exactamundo my friend! My only real objection to the DP is it's use when the guilt of the accused is less than 100% certain (hence my lack of objections in this case).

Oh, yes indeed!! I keep reading of death penalty cases where there was prosecutor misconduct or something else screwed up about the case in question. Also, there's also some rather obvious demographic disparities in who it's applied to. The only white millionaire I know of who was sentenced to death (Joseph Capano?) was able to get off death row.

That aside, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Or pay the ultimate price, as the case may be.


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