Losing side/battle

Not loosing side/battle

Loosing means to detach.

Losing means failing to win.

for me it was the bravery these men had in them to go to combat in there
iron coffins.

i have been on 2 museum pieces here in my area where i live.

american ww2 boat uss ling ,and later dated cold war boat uss growler

am 6 foot 5, i was having a hard time venturing through the boats.

i said no way i could do this, fight and live on it.:down:

also the upmost fear of being depth charged imagine the noise fear sweat
cold sea water pouring in.

no escape if the boat did not surface.:wah:

...........

Well, for me personaly it is a matter of family history.
My grandfather served during the war on a u-boat. However, even though I knew all these years that he served on one, my interest was really awakened after he died. At his funeral service I heard for the first time that his boat almost got sunk by a Liberator bomber, and that ulitmately triggered my interest.

For me: I find always found it fascinating that in 4 short years the hunter became the hunted and lost by such a high amount it was practically suicide to leave port. But yet they went.

Also the German navy was the least nazified fighting force of the German army, and many skippers fought with honour. But in the end this sums it up:

Winston Churchill (1943): "The only thing that ever really frightened me during the war was the U-boat peril".

And we see the first real submarines come to live: Type XXI and XXIII.

Plus it's a game and I love a challenge :)

P.s. Read "Iron Coffins" by Herbert A. Werner

Nothing much I can add really, but on a commercial note 'more popular with the majority of subsimmers' = more profits through larger sales figures.

I can and do play both ATO and PTO but have a slight preference for ATO.

Platapus just about summed it up for me with his post...

:Deasy tonnge to start with, but damn near impossible after 43.
this makes it exciting, just trying to survive.

Exactly why I prefer U-Boats in a game/sim.. the longer you survive the harder it gets. Perfect for an entertainment medium. With the Fleet Boats things got easier.. in a real war, this is what you want. In entertainment it is not what I want.

Same as flying Luftwaffe planes, 109, 110, 19. Ju88 or other...

Hey dont get me wrond i like fleet boats in think they lool awsome.
But hey put a VIIC and a Gato class next to eachother and i need to say no more!

I by chance did. How rude of you to notice.:oops:
:rotfl2::up:

Gato....thats the one with the ice cream machine in it, right.
Real nasty and lethal, I bet! :rotfl2:

Well actually you do need to say more. The most important thing to say is that you really can't compare the Type VII with the Gato Fleet sub as both had different missions and operating environments. Not to mention that the Type VII was constructed in 1935 and the Gato in 1941.

There were some excellent discussions on this in a thread about "who had the best sub" a while back (use the search function if interested).

Here is the short answer: There was no best... only the best for that environment.

ah! head over to the SHIII section, the thread Platapus is talking about has just been dug out seconds ago.

meh, i say do not compare a Torpedo boat to an Aircraft carrier. Ya just plain Can't do thqt.

Pfft! That's a cop-out.

All subs are made to travel to a destination, sink ships via torps and
escape via diving. We can compare them them against each other on
how well they do these things.

In general I guess American players can relate more easily to US subs, while European players will relate more easily to German subs, or subs of their country for those who had some (Britain, Russia...).
Personally there's that, and I find the German sub more pretty, I'm aware that US subs were more efficient war machines but their design has less sex appeal IMO.

Well in that sense I totally agree with Mikhail.. in terms of just liking the look of one vs the other, in the same way you would judge the looks of two cars, the U-Boat would win hands down for me.

And I still think in a gaming sense it is better, as the going gets worse and worse. Simply being in a simulated U-Boat service has an ever increasing difficulty variable built right in that you don't get with Fleet Boats. An ever strengthening enemy is totally the way to go in a game of this sort IMO.

The points been made. Loooong transit, alot of torps, easy hunting.

To be honest what sim do's this sound like ?

Thank heavens for the Modders.

I still use disc for a drink coaster.

Seems like this ATO-PTO battle never ends. :O:

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