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DEZ	01-22-10 12:20 PM

Generally speaking the quieter the developers are about a game the worse the game is.
Operation flashpoint Dragon Rising is a great example. Nothing is said apart from a few videos which are more like movies. No demo, "selected" reviewers given the game before release day. Result i think i gave that game around an hour before it was uninstalled.
Other games are much more open, i recently watch the first 10 minutes of the new AvP game on youtube. No idea if it will be any good but it does give you a good feel to the how the game will play
At the end of the day they are never going to release a version of the game here as if it does not go down well they are losing a fair wack of expected income, its way to much risk.
I have no idea is SH5 will be any good, but no information and the flashy film like videos are a worry.

TDK1044

01-22-10 12:30 PM

In my opinion, the real problem is that Sales And Marketing handles the promotion of the product.

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen. That's why I believe that a review could sort out once and for all questions regarding AA,AF, Dynamic Shadows, water texture, cloud texture, sub on rails etc.

Feltan

01-22-10 12:35 PM

One thing for sure ... with no advance copies out there, I will wait to buy until someone reviews it!

Regards,
Feltan

FIREWALL

01-22-10 01:30 PM

Hopefully Ubisoft will release at least one more video showing gameplay before the game hits the store shelves.

It would definitely help preorders.

Adriatico

01-22-10 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDK1044 (Post 1243334)

It's not that simple TDK... It is "Iceberg" story:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3700/icebergfo.jpg
You see 20% above surface (Marketing)... and 80% of SHV is below surface invisible (Devs)

I would say that Marketing is marginal in this story... as they started two months before release date... so there is obvious lack of interaction willingnes... an feed back consideration...
that lasted for 8-12 months... before marketing even stepped in this story

Marketing did not make that "periscope screen"... and marketing is not supposed to "reconsider" it after obvious community rejection...

And afterall... the relation betwen devs and marketing is certainly not that bad - that devs can't tell them "show them those d**n storm waves next weekend"

Ubi is not "kindergarden" organization... so marketing haven't created HAWX, Rainbow Six:Vegas 2 or GRAW2 "simulations"...

:know:

FIREWALL

01-22-10 01:48 PM

When I posted HAWX as a simulation here I was almost ran out of town on a rail. :haha:

HundertzehnGustav

01-22-10 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant (Post 1243166)

Dear Ubisoft,

Up your bum.

I remain yours everlastingly
Mr. Sir. Kapitanleutnant Esq. (est.1984)

OH MY GOD!!!!!

:rotfl2::rotfl2:

:salute:

Nisgeis

01-22-10 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDK1044 (Post 1243334)

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen.

What is it you are saying would be frustrating exactly? To see things like AA being photoshopped into a screenshot, or to see people say it is being photoshopped in?

FIREWALL

01-22-10 02:05 PM

Another good thread that dissolved to sh!ts and giggles. :nope:

HundertzehnGustav

01-22-10 02:13 PM

Just STFU and wait til its on your HDD!

Damn! the Stuff is Frozen and in Beta! the Marketing guys are ready to let it hiot the shelves and the presses are ready to get the empty CDs.

Other games experience has shown me that the Game is ready now. Nobody will alter any more code, and nobody will get an alpha or beta build for testing.

IT IS OVER!

Now is the hole between developping and Selling in the shops. So please stop bitching and whining, for chrissakes.

:shifty::down:

TDK1044

01-22-10 02:26 PM

'And some fell on stony ground'........:DL

FIREWALL

01-22-10 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav (Post 1243431)

Do's Neal know you've taken over ownership of HIS website and are telling everyone what to think or say ?

urfisch

01-22-10 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDK1044 (Post 1243213)

Agree totally, Kev, and a review from Neal could also answer things like AA, AF, Dynamic Shadows, FPS on a mid range rig, how good does the water look? Does the sub feel like it's on rails? How much fun is the first person mode? What options can be enabled/disabled in the game? How does the AI feel?

None of the answers to these issues will prevent sales here, other than a very small percentage who have already decided not to buy it, but a good review would establish a 'glass half full' feeling in the community in my view. :)

remind the new fact, stated last autumn about the mysterious "COMMUNITY DEVELOPER" that was to come? seems as if the idea wasnt worked out. it simply didnt happened, that the community was involved at all. so we wont will get any specials, except for an interview, or a few screens. you are not alone, when asking for reasons...

this leads me to the opinion, to face the fact: IT IS NOT WISHED TO GET US INVOLVED. we where not the main target group, compared to the release of sh3 (or sh4). things have changed.

they knew, a lot of critism was to come, if we would have been involved from the beginning. we have our wishes, that where washed out since years of playing subsims. a big amount of experience grew. most players wouldnt have signed the concept of this game, as it is now.

and they simply do not wanted to create such a storm of bad publicity, even before the game is being developed. the answers are always simple, but frustrating. money makes games, not passion.

sad, but true.

:stare:

FIREWALL

01-22-10 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urfisch (Post 1243471)

remind the new fact, stated last autumn about the mysterious "COMMUNITY DEVELOPER" that was to come? seems as if the idea wasnt worked out. it simply didnt happened, that the community was involved at all. so we wont will get any specials, except for an interview, or a few screens. you are not alone, when asking for reasons...

this leads me to the opinion, to face the fact: IT IS NOT WISHED TO GET US INVOLVED. we where not the main target group, compared to the release of sh3 (or sh4). things have changed.

they knew, a lot of critism was to come, when we would have been involved from the beginning. we have our wishes, that where washed out since years of playing subsims. a big amount of experience grew. most players wouldnt have signed the concept of this game, as it is now.

and they simply do not wanted to create such a storm of bad publicity, even before the game is being developed. the answers are always simple, but frustrating. money makes games, not passion.

sad, but true.

:stare:

:up: #1 SH5 post of the day imho :salute:

HundertzehnGustav

01-22-10 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL (Post 1243462)

Do's Neal know you've taken over ownership of HIS website and are telling everyone what to think or say ?

did i claim that?
what is written above (STFU...) can be interpreted as "i am tired of this negativity and looking forward to the release, no matter what."

graaar!
should not let this destroy my weekend mantra.
*heads off to photoshop, painting some Naked girls on some Yankee Bombers*

FIREWALL

01-22-10 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav (Post 1243478)

If your tired of others posts why not take a break and play some sims ?

It beats telling everyone you don't agree with to STFU.

THE_MASK

01-22-10 03:46 PM

Maybe the game is not finished yet ?

Snestorm

01-22-10 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober (Post 1243512)

Maybe the game is not finished yet ?

Obviousely.
And that's the way they expect to sell it?!

FIREWALL

01-22-10 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snestorm (Post 1243517)

Obviousely.
And that's the way the expect to sell it?!

Just to refresh some memorys. SH4 wasn't even playable the day it hit the grubby hands of the Preorder people.

Patch#1 was released the same day.

For those that know how to work the archives it's there.

urfisch

01-22-10 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober (Post 1243512)

Maybe the game is not finished yet ?

not finished? be sure about that!

:haha:

as firewall said, even when they "finished" the release version, the game will not be finished until its patched AND modded...

just remember...its hard, but its reality.

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