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CaptainHaplo

01-12-10 07:49 PM

Its more like "A man called Horse who Dances with Wolves - badly".

TarJak

01-12-10 09:06 PM

:yep:^^

Wolfehunter

01-12-10 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blacklight (Post 1235139)

Hardcore right wingers are REALLY up in arms over Avatar. You should have heard Rush Limbaugh rallying against it the other day (Yeah, I'm an EXTREME lefty, but I do occasionally listen to the righties sometimes just to hear the opposing viewpoints). There were conservatives yelling and screaming everything from "portraying big business as being sinister and irresponsible, and greedy", "Our military is evil and totalitarian" to "Paganism and teaching anti-Christian values". Aparently, a lot of hardcore right wingers see this movie as an attack on everything they hold dear and claim that it's part of a mass media conspiracy to brainwash kids to think that conservative, right wing values are evil, self serving, and detrimental.

Apparently... EVERYTHING is a conspiracy against The Right according to our friend Rush. :nope:

Dude. It's just a MOVIE !
And yes... there ARE SOME rings of TRUTH in the movie's message regardless of what people claim about it. There are SO MANY examples of the truth behind it's message.

Yup I love the movie too. They have nothing better to do than whine.. Well that's there right I guess... :yeah:

Not like its going to change anything... Money talks everything else walks... :O:

August

01-12-10 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter (Post 1235403)

They have nothing better to do than whine.. Well that's there right I guess... :yeah:

Apparently you missed Xabbas most excellent reply:

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus (Post 1235188)

Well the left wing are up in arms because Avatar is racist apparently.

They are saying it perpetuates the white mesiah saving the natives from themselves idea.

I personally think there are so many people who have nothing better to do than get offended and read too much into things.

Both sides have their whiners.

nikimcbee

01-13-10 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1235310)

Is it "Dances with wolves" or "A man called Horse" I have heard both. Which did you think was closer?

It's been a looooooooooong since I've seen the "Horse" one. The motives are different between Avatar and DwW. In Avatar, the motive is bad, in DwW, Costner dosen't have much of a choice, as there is no one else on the praire to talk to. Plus the Army in DwW was out there to protect settlers from the American Indians.

Weiss Pinguin

01-13-10 10:56 AM

I guess it was kind of like A Man Called Horse, except instead of being captured, his whole goal was to get in with the natives, and that kinda changes his motives. It was like a lot of movies lol

Catfish

01-13-10 01:07 PM

Hello,
it is certainly a break to the usually glorified Hollywood phantasies they call "war".
Guess Mr. Balcer would have liked the 1943 propaganda film with H. Bogart "Action in the North Atlantic" better, the bad guys are where they belong like germans gunning down shipwrecked sailors and their commander wearing a white silk scarf - or maybe "U-571" ? I heard submarine veterans gave standing ovations after the premiere of this lousy piece of concocted history.
Or maybe he is just still uninformed about with what greater intentions he was sent to 'nam, or wherever ? Helping the people, really !

Yes i'm biased, i think Avatar was a damn good film, better than a lot i saw in the last 10 years. And yes, "Avatar " is anti-military from its message (if not from the pictures, and action scenes lol) so according to Balcer it certainly must be anti-american :O:

Greetings,
Catfish

jimbob

01-13-10 05:23 PM

So, a marine has sand in vagina because of Pocahontas-2099 teh movie ?

Like, there's no real problems about.

Blacklight

01-13-10 06:13 PM

Quote:

So, a marine has sand in vagina because of Pocahontas-2099 teh movie ?

More like "Dances With Wolves" 2009 on an alien planet.

Tribesman

01-13-10 06:33 PM

Quote:

"This is the only time I ever sat in a theater where people were cheering the forest and the blue people, attacking ex-Marines," Roeser said.

I wonder how many films with blue people in Tom Roeser has watched?

Wolfehunter

01-14-10 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1235409)

Apparently you missed Xabbas most excellent reply:

Both sides have their whiners.

Good point. :up:

Neptunus Rex

01-14-10 07:20 PM

Must not have paid much attention to the movie. Though they MAY have BEEN Marines, they're former military working for a corporation.

They're called mercenaries I believe.

kiwi_2005

01-14-10 07:25 PM

I thought the marines were cool. That gun ho sgt made the movie - sipping coffee in his helicopter while giving orders. Thats one calm marine! :)

TarJak

01-14-10 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005 (Post 1236718)

I thought the marines were cool. That gun ho sgt made the movie - sipping coffee in his helicopter while giving orders. Thats one calm marine! :)

I thought he was trying to look too much like Col. Kilgore from Apocalypse Now.

Terragon

01-14-10 10:00 PM

I never liked Hollywood's portrayal of military men, for the most part.

Only a few exceptions, like "Platoon", "Das Boot", or even "Full Metal Jacket" I thought were pretty good. Even "Saving Private Ryan" was - human. A soldier is just a guy trying to do an ugly job. No matter how you spin it, you mention the glory, medals, victory, all that other stuff... It's just not true. I was in the AF for a little bit, and that's not what it was about.

Sure, I wanted to do my duty to my country, but it ended up being close to a group of guys and watching out for one another. Above all, do your job as best as you can.

Platapus

01-15-10 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terragon (Post 1236800)

I never liked Hollywood's portrayal of military men, for the most part.

Enemy Below. :yeah:

August

01-15-10 11:07 PM

Hollywood is by definition all about fantasy but I must admit they have raised the realism bar somewhat in recent years. Not that they could have lowered it any. :DL

Some of my more recent favorites:

We Were Soldiers
Blackhawk Down
When Trumpets Fade
Band of Brothers (the upcoming sequel promises to be as good as the original)
Generation Kill

Catfish

01-16-10 06:31 AM

Hello,
only some nitpicking:

" ... Only a few exceptions, like "Platoon", "Das Boot", or even "Full Metal Jacket" I thought were pretty good ..."

I second those were good ones, but "Das Boot" was a german production, NOT Hollywood :D
"Band of brothers" and "Saving Private Ryan", well while i think those are good entertaining films, there's not too much reality in them. Bit too much propaganda for my taste but entertaining films they are.
:up:

Greetings,
Catfish

Snestorm

01-16-10 09:28 AM

Stalingrad was done fairly well.

Dowly

01-16-10 09:30 AM

Ah, Stalingrad was great. :yep:

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