If you had told me in 2002 that the next president would be named "Barrack Hussein Obama" i would have laughed directly in your face.

shows what i know.

but i have this much faith in America at this point.

your next winning presidential / VP ticket will probably be:

drum roll please............

Ras Al-Kheima / Felipe Calderon


Speaker of the house: Hu Jintao


Secretary of Defense: Jane Fonda


God as my witness [He has to be my witness now because he will be outlawed by 2012] but... God as my witness i would not be surprised!

EDIT:

the next big thing... the next really big presidential news story of my generation: When a gay couple gets into the whitehouse... what do you call the "life partner" of the president? "First Fabulous"? "First Life Partner?"

God help us

The Bush/Republican administration had been in office from January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009 : in 8 years of power we have seen:


- September 11 terrorist attacks.

- Endless war in Afghanistan.

- Endless & useless war in Iraq (no weapons of mass destruction found).

- Financial crisis of 2007-2009 (been called by leading economists the worst since the Great Depression)


The human & financial cost of all of the above is almost impossible to measure.

Despite of all this you guys still trust the Republican Party, I really don't get it.

But like Fish said: it's your country!

I just don't get it. :hmmm:

"The Other"

we're fighting wars BECAUSE of 9/11. Had that event not taken place, it would be a different story.

many idiots the world over despise bush, but he didn't start this whole mess. Radical Islam did.

thankfully, bush WAS in office then.. because if that idiot Al Gore was.. who knows wtf would have happened. He prolly would have blamed it on global warming.. or they may have attacked again due to a weak response on our part.

It's easy to blame bush, but bush held the roof down. He had principles and was rigid. you knew what you were getting, and he was the right man for that job.

This amature we have now? pffft. dont even get me started on that tele-prompting arse kissing puppet.

in 2012.. any party OTHER than democrat will be a godsend to the nonsense we're putting up with right now. It's a liberal circle jerk right now. I'm registered as Independant.. and the way i feel right now the republicans could put donald duck on the stand and i'd vote for him just to put an end to this lunacy.

p.s. Why do Non Americans feel they have a right to bash political parties in our country? Do you think i really care what party is currently in power in say.. Canada? Or better yet... do i even know what parties exist in canada? Because i honestly dont..... nor care. Because it doesn't apply to me.

In Afghanistan, where the people who did the bombings were located, that's applicable. Iraq on the otherhand was and still is just a farce as far as the United States' military exploits are concerned and it will live on as one for decades if not centuries to come.

Again, while that can be applied to Afghanistan, radical Islam never has been a problem in Iraq- because Saddam wouldn't tolerate these people. He knew their destructive capabilities, so he kept them out. When we invaded and toppled him, there was no way to keep them from flowing in. And now Iraq is in the state it's in because of our interference for less than valid reasons.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not on that last part.

Lol, "held the roof down". Why is it that all this tension in the Middle East didn't explode like it has now until we invaded Iraq? That did nothing but boil the pot over, and it wasn't even for a valid reason that we entered. God only knows how many ordinary people died; who knows how many children. Bush only knew the number of soldiers because he had people to count the casualties for him; 6,000 of our soldiers alone killed, 35,000 wounded- and that's not even counting Coalition numbers. The Opinion Research Business surveys conducted suggest numbers for total dead (civilian, military, insurgent) a number between 733,150 to 1,446,000.

Nothing short of a condoned, senseless slaughter.

Lol, he hasn't even been in office a year and already the right attacks him like he's been there two terms already. Look, Bush had 8 years to fix our problems. And while he's not to blame for causing all the ones we're currently facing, he certainly didn't do a lot to prevent the ones we're still having to contend with which began under his administration. Iraq aside, he failed to provide any kind of oversight into the flimsy mortgage-backed securities market (which is part of the reason why we find ourselves in this current economic mess, his legislative actions allowed the NSA to perform warrantless surveillance of people they considered "suspects of enemy support", the country's deficit ballooned under his administration, the No Child Left Behind act ultimately did nothing but cost us millions of dollars and teach our children how to take tests (and not how to memorize and apply what they learned to everyday life), his response to the effects of Katrina were not only incompetent but also outrageously ineffective in the end, and the whole Guantanamo Bay affair will more than likely leave him (and rightfully so) as one of the worst presidents in this country's history.

I will admit though that his work with AIDS in Africa is quite commendable, and he should be recognized more for it (that applies to you, Meo). And it is also true that his establishment of the Department of Homeland Security did a lot to help prevent further terrorist attacks. He's not THE worst president, but the large number of failings he had as president certainly don't assuage the small number of successes. If anyone, Warren G. Harding was the worst for letting the treasury fall apart like it did. Then Hoover and Roosevelt were stuck with his mess.

Well you certainly don't lean as an Independent. Nothing but good things to say about Bush and nothing but bad things to say about Obama. I'm a member of the Social Democrat Party, but take notice the only times I ever bother to jump on Bush is when people outlandishly claim he was nothing but a great president who had no failings whatsoever. I don't call him the worst, and I don't call Obama the best. Somebody better will always come along.

Because we have something called freedom of speech and they're entitled to it as much as any other person, no matter what you or anyone else thinks.

Your words say one thing, your actions speak volumes of another. To even acknowledge these people even though you scrutinize them shows you care to some extent; your better move would have been to simply ignore them and not even pay attention to them. Not that it makes this kind of attitude any less stupid, because parties in power in Canada effect the politics of the world. You'd be wise, as a result, to pay attention more to them.

No, you are fighting wars because Bush decided to fight a stupid war instead of fighting the war that was because of 9/11.
Having an idiot wasting time and resources is the reason why you are still completely stuck.

Because as your country is a global power it affects people all over the world.
So when you elect a moron we have the right to criticise it.

Ah that unique approach where people revel in ignorance. I can see why you like Bush.

Ignorance is bliss :D

And pulling out a one liner to counter opposing views doesn't make yours any more correct. Quite the contrary, actually. Lends more credence to the statements of the opposition by imponing that you cannot back up your position with anything valid.

I'm not trying to counter anything. Contrary to the internet standard of arguing and picking apart every line of someones post to prove a point... i put out my viewpoint and move on (most of the time).

Noone is going to change my (or his) mind, so why bother?

Why not? It doesn't mean others with more open minds don't listen and change. Nothing lost but some time.

Ok i'll amuse you further then.

I'm not a bush fanboy. Nor did i agree with everthing he did. Had there been a better rival than Al Gore or John Kerry.. i may have voted against him.

I am also FROM New Orleans.. and know full well the screw up. But you can't put all the blame on him. My anger was directed at FEMA... and the idiots who didn't evacuate when told to.

That said, my despise of the liberal base is strong enough for me to overlook some of the crap that went on during the Bush years. Even then, i dont feel it was as bad as the mainstream media makes it out to be.

and yes, im very much independant. I will never tie my vote to a party.. but if the democrats keep pushing their brand of big wasteful governement.. i'm going to be forced to vote against it over and over again.

You demonstrate the first word, I suppose the 3rd word is very subjective though the ignorance implies that you wouldn't understand bliss anyway.

You demonstrate that ignorance word again.
Simple lesson.
If you quote what someone has written and write a reply that goes against what they said then you are trying to counter it:yep:

With your fondness of ignorance are you sure you even have a mind?


So you are in denial of being a republican fanboy, in denial of your actions, yet proud of your ignorance.
Have you considered joining Palin in a run for office?

1. Free speech.

2. Some of your internal politics effect us in other countries as well, and sometimes as costly and even more costly than your self. That gives us a legitimate interest for these special things that you are doing. On the other hand we do not care that much for things that do not effect us, only your self, stopping at your borders.

If Canada raises any kind of threat to you, and has a global influence that effects you by its consequences, you would.

I fear not.

A wide- spread attitude of people not to care before one gets effected even if then it is too late already, or thinking one must not care because the others are not important anyway. Both means: bad mistake.

And we Americans have a right to see your criticisms as the self serving tripe that they are and ignore it. Clean up the messes in your own countries first then come talk to us...

I don't care what Tribesman or Skybird say...Michele is still cute. Screw free speech and what America does that affects the world :O:

How do we get from:

"First.

I'm just saying."

To the usual boring left/right rhetoric?

I think the Community Organizer will have broken his word so many times by the time we get to 2012 that Tiger Woods could get elected. At least when you get screwed by him you end up with a nice lump sum.

Yeah, and Michele might get a piece of Tiger. :har:

All you have to do is look at the sources and you have your answer.

I don't know :) I'm not even claiming I'm a supporter of hers, but I can see her having an impact on the 2012 campaign. So, if she ends up running for President in a couple years, I wanna be able to say I predicted it here :shucks:

That, and a lively debate is always fun.

How about Michele and Palin on one side, and Hillary and Barney Frank on the other. Then we could have a Bitch Fest! :)