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JScones 11-01-09 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1197632)
What you mean lack of help? The way I remember it quite a few people helped to search for the documents for you? :doh:

Check out http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=131580&page=4 where I was seeking graphics assistance.

Getting the documents was fine, thanks mainly to you for your great high-resolution scans. It all fell apart at the document cleanup stage. I'm useless at graphics. LzZ was very helpful, but recognised his limitations. I asked a few of the "better known" graphic artists whether they could help clean up the files (mainly by PM), as well as in my thread, but didn't get too far. Not their fault of course - RL should override anything games related.

Anyway, you can see where I got up to in the thread linked above, as I pretty much posted SH3Cmdr-generated examples, warts and all, of each certificate.

Faamecanic 11-01-09 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sevrin (Post 1197276)
Man, THOSE were the days, :woot:
Microprose, Strategic Simulations, Westwood Studios, Dynamix, Sierra... :rock:

Dont forget ORIGIN (Space Rouge) and FIREBIRD (Elite) :)

JScones 11-01-09 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ritmeister (Post 1197613)
I think the view of the uniform changing as medals or promotions are awraded is an excellent idea. Way better than just the box used in SH3. Perhaps the view of the uniform could wither be as some just posted, or a variety of a number of heads to create an avatar. Even possibly something to selctd a facial type, hair color, mustache, beard, etc.. THe First person shooters easily do this all the time these days. Some clever modder might even be able to allow you to take a snapsot of your own head, face and sort of photshop it onto your avatar.:arrgh!:

Of course this could be combined with some film or generated clip of your avatar being awarded something or other, with appropriate martial music.:salute:

Something like this perhaps?

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6939/avatarg.gif

Sevrin 11-01-09 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JScones (Post 1197751)
Check out http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=131580&page=4 where I was seeking graphics assistance.

Getting the documents was fine, thanks mainly to you for your great high-resolution scans. It all fell apart at the document cleanup stage. I'm useless at graphics. LzZ was very helpful, but recognised his limitations. I asked a few of the "better known" graphic artists whether they could help clean up the files (mainly by PM), as well as in my thread, but didn't get too far. Not their fault of course - RL should override anything games related.

Anyway, you can see where I got up to in the thread linked above, as I pretty much posted SH3Cmdr-generated examples, warts and all, of each certificate.

I'm not great working with graphics, decent with photoshop, etc., but if you decide to do any work in this area for SH5, I have a LOT of source material to scan.

Anything Iron cross related, literally from its inception to post-war I've got covered; every grade imaginable including rare variants, presentation documents, award cases, etc...

Might as well put some of this stuff to use. :rock:

http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/x...g?t=1257123494

Lord Justice 11-01-09 08:39 PM

very nice !!! :up:

JScones 11-01-09 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sevrin (Post 1197796)
I'm not great working with graphics, decent with photoshop, etc., but if you decide to do any work in this area for SH5, I have a LOT of source material to scan.

Anything Iron cross related, literally from its inception to post-war I've got covered; every grade imaginable including rare variants, presentation documents, award cases, etc...

Might as well put some of this stuff to use. :rock:

<snip>

Thanks. :up: Checkout the thread I linked above that shows where I got up to - it could effortlessly be ported over to SH5 (if needed). To that end, if you have full size scans of any awarded documents, that would be absolutely brilliant. :up:

Sevrin 11-01-09 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JScones (Post 1197820)
Thanks. :up: Checkout the thread I linked above that shows where I got up to - it could effortlessly be ported over to SH5 (if needed). To that end, if you have full size scans of any awarded documents, that would be absolutely brilliant. :up:


No problem. Will have a new scanner by the time the game's released, so we should end up with some very good material if we need it.

Be interesting to see how in depth they go on the awards, or if it's just kind of an after-thought. No doubt it'll be 'fill in the box' again... :yep:

Lord Justice 11-01-09 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sevrin (Post 1197822)
No problem. Will have a new scanner by the time the game's released, so we should end up with some very good material if we need it.

Be interesting to see how in depth they go on the awards, or if it's just kind of an after-thought. No doubt it'll be 'fill in the box' again... :yep:

lol dont say that, for what ive seen you guys can do it, if only they allow it and make it so.:)

coinbird 11-01-09 09:50 PM

swastika's cannot be sold in germany, so if they want to include that market they'd have to avoid showing any of that symbolism and just stick to iron crosses. It would be up to modders later to add such in if desired

JScones 11-01-09 10:48 PM

No different to SH3, I'd presume. Didn't take long for the swastica mods to appear.

Dowly 11-02-09 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones (Post 1197751)
Check out http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...=131580&page=4 where I was seeking graphics assistance.

Getting the documents was fine, thanks mainly to you for your great high-resolution scans. It all fell apart at the document cleanup stage. I'm useless at graphics. LzZ was very helpful, but recognised his limitations. I asked a few of the "better known" graphic artists whether they could help clean up the files (mainly by PM), as well as in my thread, but didn't get too far. Not their fault of course - RL should override anything games related.

Anyway, you can see where I got up to in the thread linked above, as I pretty much posted SH3Cmdr-generated examples, warts and all, of each certificate.

Ah, right. I forgot the thread at some point, so. :oops:

I think those documents would be maybe the best to do again from scratch, easy and quick job and would make it look consistent with any "new" text that SH3cmdr adds i.e. the captain's name. :hmmm:

thruster 11-04-09 07:59 AM

what i was thinking is this:
as youre laying on your bunk enduring yet more depthcharging, you look at the wood panelling at the end of your bunk. hanging up is your shore tunic ready for your next return.
- as your rank changes or you are decorated, your uniform tunic is modified to reflect it. simple idea huh?

whilst on the subject; white captains cap. when your POV is from the bunk as you pan the view, you should also get a view of your cap sitting on your desk. caps are very individual and can be stylised, so how about selecting one from a drop list?

personalising the sub. how about adding several pictures on walls or in frames. these should be modifiable to reflect your story. also posters that can be modifiable/personalised to suit too.

the boats flag should be flying on the pole on the wintergarden. if i want to alter it to fly the skull and crossbones then i should. is that too hard?

personalisation engenders ownership to the whole thing. it should be a priority.:arrgh!:

Hitman 11-04-09 09:09 AM

I like very much the idea of the Dönitz/Flotilla chief (Not Adolf, please, would sure attract lots of legal issues against the game. Let the modders do that later in any case) screen/footage awarding the medals.:up:

The only thing I would beg is please do not make it 3D if the devs can't provide good 3D human models. For me nothing kills more the inmersion of the scene than seeing unhuman cyborgs moving around. :nope:

Sevrin 11-04-09 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by thruster (Post 1198911)
whilst on the subject; white captains cap. when your POV is from the bunk as you pan the view, you should also get a view of your cap sitting on your desk. caps are very individual and can be stylised, so how about selecting one from a drop list? personalising the sub. how about adding several pictures on walls or in frames. these should be modifiable to reflect your story. also posters that can be modifiable/personalised to suit too.

Hadn't considered that, but that's cool idea... :)

Ilpalazzo 11-04-09 11:34 AM

I'd like to see more to this. the 2d box cut-out thing is pretty weak. www w w wtf, my right shift doesn't work1 feels like there's something stuck in there.

anyway, I do think it could be better. If there's a 3d model of a guy, he better have eyes at least. :dead:

Ritmeister 11-04-09 01:50 PM

:rotfl2:I didn't know Topp wore glasses..


Was he somehow distantly related to Buddy Holly?:O:

Seriously, I just read an article and saw a vew screenshot where the upcoming "Storm of War" combat flight sim is including all 3D animated pilots and crew. The early pictures look outstanding.

In addition Oleg Maddox ws quoted as saying it will include the ability to modify the uniform, modify the facial features to whatever you desire or use a feature which will map your photo onto the player facial image area.




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Originally Posted by JScones (Post 1197759)


kptn_kaiserhof 11-06-09 09:53 AM

very nice idea

Philipp_Thomsen 11-06-09 12:03 PM

Damn... Dowly's signature is everywhere

karamazovnew 11-14-09 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by coinbird (Post 1197841)
swastika's cannot be sold in germany, so if they want to include that market they'd have to avoid showing any of that symbolism and just stick to iron crosses. It would be up to modders later to add such in if desired

Usually games about WW2 have 2 versions, with and without the "thingie". I for one prefer the German cross any day and the only Conning tower emblem I've ever used was "Fur Deutchland".

But after reading this (taken from wikipedia), I think games should substitute the swastika with a simple black X.

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In spring 2007 a petition to the parliament (the Bundestag) to reintroduce the Iron Cross as an award for military bravery was initiated. The parliament decided on 13 December 2007 to leave it to the Ministry of Defence to decide on the matter[8]. The proposal was supported by the President of the Reservistenverband, Ernst-Reinhard Beck (CDU). Beck stated that the symbol was used as the symbol of all German military vehicles, airplanes and ships, and constituted a symbol of hope, aid and solidarity in crisis areas[9][10].

Sevrin 11-14-09 09:35 AM

Germans
 
It used to bother me that when it came to the German decorations in WWII games they were inevitably shown 'de-nazified' as in the post-war period, but that's usually one of the first things modders attend to anyhow, so it's ok by me. :up:

Those things are usually pretty easily 'fixed'...


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