Doen't mean it will be the same !!!! :p

Number one reason I never got in ShIV was not because it was US subs and PTO, hell I was really looking forward to it at the time.
My problem was that it just seemed to lack the atmostsphere of SH3,
And this was largley due to SHIVs technical short comings.

I think the draw distance problems irritated me most of all, especially when my watch starts calling out ships which I can not actually see for myself (becuase they have not been rendered yet).
Frustrations such as this constanlty remind you that you are just playing a game.

There is plenty of enjoyment to had with the PTO, the problem for me lay with SHIVs representation of it.
Though it was still pretty solid product, it somehow it just didnt feel right to me. (The Uboat add-on suffered from the exact the same problems.)

From what I have seen, the modders here have done SHIV proud, but sadly for me I still have that bitter after taste in my mouth from playing stock 2 years ago. My loss i guess....

I do hope they build another PTO Subsim over SHV the next few years. (but as a stand alone game - not an Add on)
There is so much more that can still be done with it. :up:

Biggest problem for me was the fact that it was a winning war for the US subs. As a result you'll be shooting far less torps than you do in SH3.

Atlantic was a battle... Pacific was a turkeyshoot.

The fact I have widescreen monitor only limits my fun of SH3.. when peering trhough the sehrohr and click the torp selection is screwed again.

All in all I find myself commanding a IXD2 most of the time.

What is that SH4 you speak of so much, fellows?

Never bought it, never seen it. I knew before it was released that Pacific was not the theatre for me. We had a thread here "Would you pay SH4 when it's released" and I said "No I wouldn't". And I didn't. Now I see it was a right decision to make. :)

I myself keep going back to SH3. I use GWX + ManosGUI (with OLC) + SH3Commander and thanks to those guys, SH3 feels like a whole new experience beyond what was presumably intended by Ubisoft. My only gripes are lack of stock mission variety and lack of transparent water (I know they probably are shallow gripes, but that's how I feel).

I actually like SH4 interface (I only use GFO) and still able to appreciate the art of manual targeting although XO's input kinda bumps me off a little. I also like the tenacity of the DDs. However, my *major* gripe is that I can slip into a port and wreak havoc without notable retribution from the destroyer guards; after 2 times reaping more than 100,000grt per-patrol only because I eventually got bored chasing convoys and did harbor raids, I transferred back to the Atlantic.

Well not really mate, because you got to look at the big picture.
The future of the Silent Hunter franchise relies on the support of all subsimmers regardless of theater preference.
E.g if enough of the PTO fan base boycott ATO based SHV, they are potentially harming the possibility of a PTO based SHVI.
and visa versa.
$50 is not large some of money to part with once every 3 years.
You reap what you sew.

To be honest I don't know what the ATO/PTO issue is, but you made me curious to check it immediately. The boycotte you mentioned sounds quite alarming. :)

I didnt really like SH4... It lacks the same feel... sh3 felt more like it should... Maby it is because I never got into the PTO... always been more intrested in the ETO/ATO...

The german part or SH4 also (no offence to any of the modders, you did great) felt kind of shoved in, but not really part of the game...

Bought them both very recently! I am much more pleased with SHIII and uninstalled SHWOTP. SHIII just seems more involved and real. IMO

After taking a hammer to the SH IV disk months ago...I bought it again.:damn:
SH IV's major fault is the cartoon look and feel vs SH3's "real" grafix rendering.

I still play both...but SH3 still gets top billing in the CD tray.

I have always liked SH3 over SH4. I just hope SH5 is more like SH3!

Eeeeerhhh...I don't see how a boycott would help the industry at all. Sub sims are already a niche market. We should be buying more, not less.

I don't think it is truly a boycott - an organized effort to reduce sales - as it is just a matter of preferance. I play SH3 - because I prefer the ATO and the intense, relatively dense ASW environment. It truly makes a difference when a U-boat has to worry about air attacks as soon as he leaves the sub pen - versus an American sub leaving Pearl having a 2000-mile journey to the nearest enemy. That is just ONE of the differences - and as I have limited disposable income I chose to do the ATO as opposed to the PTO.

Not to mention some of us still have computers that are from the last century ..... SH3 runs, SH4 not so much.... hell, I can't even use WAC, as much as I want to try that out!