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OneToughHerring 10-12-09 04:45 PM

I already addressed it, US culture is very different from European culture. Originally we all came from Africa, can I use this as a cop out next time I do something wrong?

Russia? What does Russia have to do with this?

CastleBravo 10-12-09 04:51 PM

Blame it on the Europeans. 85% of the US population comes from you. And yes we brought our backgrounds with us. I'm sorry if that is hard for you to grasp OneToughHerring. You are part of a very violent culture.

Sniffle, cry, all you wish. It is the truth, Americans didn't invent violence.

SteamWake 10-12-09 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1188149)
Much like the Finns, when it comes to Russia.

Time to get over your sense of moral superiority and get a grasp on reality .

He was just trying to point out a releationship thats all Russia has to do with it.

CastleBravo 10-12-09 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1188159)
He was just trying to point out a releationship thats all Russia has to do with it.

Thanks for the support SteamWake, but if OneToughHerring knows so little of his own country's history the entire argument is and will always be lost on him.

Platapus 10-12-09 05:07 PM

Too bad the parents did not take the time to explain to him about knives and rules. Could have avoided all this mess.

here is another version
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNM21A4B2T.DTL

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(10-12) 04:00 PDT Newark, Del. -- Zachary Christie, 6, was so excited about joining the Cub Scouts that he brought a camping utensil that can serve as a knife, fork and spoon to school to use at lunch.
School officials concluded he had violated their zero-tolerance policy on weapons, and Zachary faces 45 days in the district's reform school.

Spurred in part by the Columbine and Virginia Tech shootings, many school districts around the country adopted zero-tolerance policies on possession of weapons on school grounds. More recently, there has been growing debate over whether the policies have gone too far.

But, based on the code of conduct for the Christina School District, where Zachary is a first-grader, school officials had no choice. They had to suspend him because, "regardless of possessor's intent," knives are banned.

Critics contend that zero-tolerance policies like those in the district have led to sharp increases in suspensions and expulsions, often putting children on the streets or in other places where their behavior only worsens, and that the policies undermine the use of common sense by school officials in handling minor infractions.

For Delaware, Zachary's case is especially frustrating because last year state lawmakers tried to make disciplinary rules more flexible by giving local boards authority to, "on a case-by-case basis, modify the terms of the expulsion."

The law was introduced after a third-grade girl was expelled for a year because her grandmother sent a birthday cake to school, and a knife to cut it. The teacher called the principal - but not before using the knife to cut and serve the cake.

Education experts say that zero-tolerance policies initially allowed authorities more leeway in punishing students, but were applied in a discriminatory fashion. Many studies indicate that African-Americans were several times more likely to be suspended or expelled than other students for the same offenses.

Other school districts are also trying to address problems they say have stemmed in part from overly strict zero-tolerance policies.

In Baltimore, around 10,000 students, roughly 12 percent of enrollment, were suspended during the 2006-07 school year, mostly for disruption and insubordination, according to a report by the Open Society Institute-Baltimore. School officials there are re-writing the disciplinary code, to route students to counseling rather than suspension.

In Milwaukee, where school officials reported that 40 percent of ninth-graders had been suspended in the 2006-07 school year, the superintendent has encouraged teachers not to overreact to student misconduct.
This is what happens when parents scream about what are the schools doing to protect kids? Everyone likes no-tolerance rules when they apply to the other kid, but when it is your kid all of a sudden there should be some tolerance.

Perhaps if the schools could be trusted to implement policy with out discrimination, they can be trusted to evaluate these instances on a case-to-case basis. Until then the policies need to be worded such that the school officials have no leeway. This means that the rules need to be worded very carefully so that bad kids don't fall through the cracks and good kids don't get caught up in the net.

I am a little concerned that these parents would allow their 6 year old to go to school with a knife. The knife should have been kept under the parents control while the kid is not doing scouting stuff.

longam 10-12-09 05:09 PM

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Has the school gone to far? What does the cafeteria use for utensils?
Defiantly a case of going to far. Anyone who possessed a Swiss Army Knife when I went to school was proud to show it off.

Counseling in the USA has become a income source for a large batch of companies and they are taking advantage of anything they can. Drug testing would be a good example at work. If you pop on a test you can keep your job but you have to attend a course for so many weeks, doesn't matter if you sober up or not. :nope:

Dowly 10-12-09 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1188158)
Sniffle, cry, all you wish. It is the truth, Americans didn't invent violence.

Maybe so, but you do a pretty good job on keeping the violence level high on that side of the pond. ;)

CastleBravo 10-12-09 05:12 PM

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I am a little concerned that these parents would allow their 6 year old to go to school with a knife. The knife should have been kept under the parents control while the kid is not doing scouting stuff.
It wasn't a knife. Please read the article. Even if it was. I went to school with a knife on a few occaisions. Nothing happened. Little boys show and tell. Nothing more.

CastleBravo 10-12-09 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1188183)
Maybe so, but you do a pretty good job on keeping the violence level high on that side of the pond. ;)

And Finland is free of violence? Please. You will notice that much of the violence is black on black. What does it say about black culture.

Dowly 10-12-09 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1188188)
And Finland is free of violence? Please. You will notice that much of the violence is black on black. What does it say about black culture.

No no no, now you're doing the old trick again of putting words into my mouth. ;) I didnt say Finland is violence free, hell, I didnt even mention Finland! Yes, I know there is alot of black on black violence, but what it has to do with this? There's also white on black, black on white, white on white (etc.) violence. I just got the impression from your posts that you are somehow trying to make us believe that US isnt particulary violent country from the western bunch?

CastleBravo 10-12-09 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1188194)
I just got the impression from your posts that you are somehow trying to make us believe that US isnt particulary violent country from the western bunch?

And you would be correct. The US is as violent as any country. I was trying to disuade OneToughfish from thinking the US is more violent than any Euro country. Because that is incorrect.

OneToughHerring 10-12-09 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1188158)
Blame it on the Europeans. 85% of the US population comes from you. And yes we brought our backgrounds with us. I'm sorry if that is hard for you to grasp OneToughHerring. You are part of a very violent culture.

Sniffle, cry, all you wish. It is the truth, Americans didn't invent violence.

The violent crime figures of Finland are well below of those of the US. Same goes for Europe as a whole.

Oh you're also a racist. And SteamWake with his racist spin on the 'cracking a head with a history book' - story might also be one. Groovy.

CastleBravo 10-12-09 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1188205)
The violent crime figures of Finland are well below of those of the US. Same goes for Europe as a whole.

Oh you're also a racist. And SteamWake with his racist spin on the 'cracking a head with a history book' - story might also be one. Groovy.

The last refuge of the tyrannt......you're a racist. And if you check the crime numbers for the US it is in majority black on black. Facts don't lie bud. I will allow you your interpretation, because you have no other argument, but it doesn't alieve you of your responsibility to acknowledge Europe's and by extension Finlands tendancy toward violence.

OneToughHerring 10-12-09 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1188217)
The last refuge of the tyrannt......you're a racist. And if you check the crime numbers for the US it is in majority black on black. Facts don't lie bud. I will allow you your interpretation, because you have no other argument, but it doesn't alieve you of your responsibility to acknowledge Europe's and by extension Finlands tendancy toward violence.

Yea facts don't lie and the facts say that the US is more violent then Europe. Not even the US right-wing think tanks try to deny this.

Continue on with your racism, it's just kind of funny how you attack against people who you brought to the US as slaves and then put into ghettos. I guess you don't mind the blacks not considered as a part of the US.

CastleBravo 10-12-09 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1188222)
Yea facts don't lie and the facts say that the US is more violent then Europe. Not even the US right-wing think tanks try to deny this.

Continue on with your racism, it's just kind of funny how you attack against people who you brought to the US as slaves and then put into ghettos. I guess you don't mind the blacks not considered as a part of the US.


I guess you don't mind the blacks not considered as a part of the US.

Never heard that before. But that shows how misinformed you are. I consider blacks a part of the US, citizens in fact. Like the rest of the folks in the US everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions.

Asd of now more blacks are taking the lives of other blacks at a greater rate than any other demographic. I guess you will call that racist.

But then Fns are racist by calling the US violent.

Now you see how useless the term is when used in the vaccum in which you used it.

MothBalls 10-12-09 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1188239)
Now you see how useless the term is when used in the vaccum in which you used it.

Good point. He should have never tried to use anything between your ears.

(btw, it's spelled vacuum)

AngusJS 10-12-09 07:44 PM

There was another instance of a 10 year old girl bringing a steak knife into school to eat her lunch of steak leftovers.

Some teachers saw this, so they confiscated the knife, and then naturally called the cops, who arrived and naturally arrested her for possession of a weapon on school grounds, and naturally charged her with a felony.

Fortunately, sanity eventually prevailed, and the charges were dropped.

http://www.wftv.com/news/14858405/detail.html

All because of @$#% stupid zero tolerance policies enacted by @$#% stupid people. They're a bit like the brilliant three strikes laws, which can sentence someone to life in prison for shoplifting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leandro_Andrade

And naturally, the Supreme Court refused to overturn the sentence. Way to go, guys.

CastleBravo 10-12-09 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MothBalls (Post 1188254)
Good point. He should have never tried to use anything between your ears.

(btw, it's spelled vacuum)

Thank you for the spelling correction. As ususal it shows the lack of argument. Just surrender. Its what your good at. :har::rotfl2::har::rotfl2:

Award yourself a piece prize.

Sledgehammer427 10-12-09 10:20 PM

if some kid insulted me and my race and sucker punched me, I'd crack him too. It's not racist, it's standing up for myself.

as for the violent crime thing. Freedom does weird things to people. To many it's some kinda drug and they take it too far. Freedom of almost everything does that to people

CastleBravo 10-12-09 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427 (Post 1188309)
if some kid insulted me and my race and sucker punched me, I'd crack him too. It's not racist, it's standing up for myself.

as for the violent crime thing. Freedom does weird things to people. To many it's some kinda drug and they take it too far. Freedom of almost everything does that to people

With freedom comes responsibility. Not the kind of freedom we see at the G-#?. That is something else. Freedom is allowing other opinions, beliefs, and ways of life, while standing for certain universal principles, which don't overtly harm others.


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