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Task Force 09-13-09 06:54 PM

lol... people wineing about a scientific movie... :lol: some people are nuts...

what are they gonna say next... lol a new Astornomy movie is un religious...

AVGWarhawk 09-13-09 06:55 PM

This is the reason I only watch the Wiggles. No arguments at all :D

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/the-wiggles.jpg

Task Force 09-13-09 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1171475)
This is the reason I only watch the Wiggles. No arguments at all :D

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/the-wiggles.jpg

and thats the reason I dont watch tv.

Tribesman 09-13-09 06:58 PM

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Hold no misgivings, that is exactly what Darwin is saying in his book.
:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
Hold no misgivings , you demonstrate that you havn't read the book and havn't got the faintest idea what it says:down:

Skybird 09-13-09 06:59 PM

There is a difference between knowledge and belief. And when people just believe, but claim that what they believe in is knowledge - then the troubles begin.

The theory of Darwin - is a theory, it is being used because the overwhelming majority of scientists consider it to make more sense and cooperating better with the current scientific paradigms then any other theory dealing with the developement of life and species. Maybe one day it will be replaced, when our understanding of things and life widens, or we start to see more contradiction than pragmatic value in it. Maybe not. Different to religions' always un checked and alwqays unprovable claims, theories in science can be examined, tested, changed, corrected, supplemented, precised or replaced.

Religion needs the self-limitation and lacking education and dogmatism of people in order to be what it is, a religion. It needs the weakness of people in order to be powerful itself.

Scientific theories are not to be believed in. They are being used, as long as it makes pragmatic sense and is seen to match reason. Reason is religions's arch-enemy. Reason and logic unveil all the decpetion and superifical believing in relgion, and rips the mask off it'S face. In this opposition to education and reason, all religions are the same and are natural allies. Not just one special religion is an educated, reasonable man's enemy - but all.

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Originally Posted by Aldous Huxley
The more a man knows about individual objects, the more he knows about God. Translating Spinoza's language into ours, we can say: The more a man knows about himself in relation to every kind of experience, the greater his chance of suddenly, one fine morning, realizing who in fact he is---or rather Who in Fact "He" Is.

St. John was right. In a blessedly speechless universe, the Word was not only with God; it was God. As a something to be believed in. God is a projected symbol, a reified name. God = "God."

Faith is something very different from belief. Belief is the systematic taking of unanalyzed words much too seriously. Paul's words, Mohammed's words, Marx's words, Hitler's words---people take them too seriously, and what happens? What happens is the senseless ambivalence of history---sadism versus duty, or (incomparably worse) sadism as duty; devotion counterbalanced by organized paranoia; sisters of charity selflessly tending the victims of their own church's inquisitors and crusaders. Faith, on the contrary, can never be taken too seriously. For Faith is the empirically justified confidence in our capacity to know who in fact we are, to forget the belief-intoxicated Manichee in Good Being. Give us this day our daily Faith, but deliver us, dear God, from Belief.

All words about religion, all religious teachings necessarily must be untrue and wrong, for the one reality that just is, is so much bigger than terms and labels, but terms and labels are just a small, an arbitrary part of the uoltimate reality, and so a reality in which the words we use actually have a meaning that we can understand by the rules of the language we use, necessarily must be a most uncomplete one. A thought god is our thought only, and dies when our brain activity comes to a standstill. the divinity of the university cannot be understood, embraced, described or adressed in names. "The name of God cannot be pronounced".

So why is there talking in the name of religions, and why is there religious argument, when the mere fact that it is being given is evidence that what it says is and must be untrue?

All religious books should be burned immediately. They are just a terrible confusion bringing out the worst in man again and again and again, causing intolerance, mental self-mutiliation and self-righteous elitism.

CastleBravo 09-13-09 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1171465)
Wow you really have problems with the English language don't you.
Race as a term of taxonomic identification is clearly defined ,
on the other hand a racist is best defined as an idiot.
People who are unable to differentiate between two words with different meanings can also fit one of those definitions.


Errrrr....no, perhaps you could do better if you had the faintest idea what you were talking about instead of recycling garbage from a badly translated, heavily edited fragment of ancient mythology.

Darwin's work is theory, yes? That means proof is necessary. I haven't seen any, but I love when my posts are argued.:yeah: Yet the Bible is believed by multidudes, including those who have read Darwin.

Come onboard and Christ will save you!

Task Force 09-13-09 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1171483)
Darwin's work is theory, yes? That means proof is necessary. I haven't seen any, but I love when my posts are argued.:yeah: Yet the Bible is believed by multidudes, including those who have read Darwin.

Come onboard and Christ will save you!

... LOL... this reminds me of the greeks... useing gods to explain things...:rotfl2:

Rilder 09-13-09 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1171483)

Come onboard and Christ will save you!

Become a Hellen and Zeus might shag your daughters! :arrgh!:

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Originally Posted by Task Force (Post 1171485)
... LOL... this reminds me of the greeks... useing gods to explain everything...:rotfl2:

We use Gods to explain stuff we haven't found an explanation too yet. :88)

CastleBravo 09-13-09 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force (Post 1171485)
... LOL... this reminds me of the greeks... useing gods to explain everything...:rotfl2:


... LOL... this reminds me of the communists... using science to explain everything...:rotfl2:

antikristuseke 09-13-09 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1171483)
Darwin's work is theory, yes? That means proof is necessary. I haven't seen any, but I love when my posts are argued.:yeah: Yet the Bible is believed by multidudes, including those who have read Darwin.

Come onboard and Christ will save you!

Evidence here http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Read and learn, ignorance is not a badge of honor. And before you pull the good old "Science does not know everything" BS, science knows it does not know everything, if it did, it would stop. Trying to explain things you do not understand with goddunit does nothing but let minds rot away in make believe.

CastleBravo 09-13-09 07:18 PM

Belief is indeed an interesting thing........isn't it? I make no claim to knowing God's wishes or Darwin's. I guess I'd rather believe in God, than in a man who undoubtly spent so much time masturbating on long ocean voyages.

antikristuseke 09-13-09 07:20 PM

I don't believe either, just follow the evidence.

mookiemookie 09-13-09 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1171483)
Darwin's work is theory, yes?

Gravity is just a theory, too.

Task Force 09-13-09 07:23 PM

what proof is there that the bible is true... (and dont say the book.)

antikristuseke 09-13-09 07:25 PM

http://mattcbr.files.wordpress.com/2...-the-cycle.jpg

CastleBravo 09-13-09 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1171505)
Gravity is just a theory, too.

So says Neal Steven's special person.

Skybird 09-13-09 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1171483)
Darwin's work is theory, yes? That means proof is necessary.

Not exactly, but testing is necessary (to which religions are totally hostile, they are not to be tested or being asked questions about: they are just to be believed). Theories however do not stay unchanged forever, they are being tested, and checked for the validity of predictions they may make, and if they are in contradiction to other results of the scientific process. Science is in constant shifting, it changes constantly. But it does not give you the ultimate answers to the universe, just temporary assumptions that fit better into the canon of observations made so far than other assumptions or hallucinations from your last night being drunk in the pub, and creating lesser contradiction with other observations. Science in principal is nothing else than putting observations into an arbitrary order like miniatures are being put on the shelve accoridng to the will of the collector, where this order occasionally gets corrected due to the latest observations, and defining also the methodology by which we try to win new observation results. Science is totally different than religion, because religions just claims something, never makes its claims object of testing or analysis, and rule that these claims should have everlasting validity. religion does all the time what it (wrongly) accuses science of.

As astrophysicist Timothy Ferris put it: "We are not dealing with the universe 'in front of us', which will remain an eternal mystery for us, but we deal with a model of the universethat we can create inside our heads as we like. For all of us, not cosmos itself is the object of our examination, but it's dance with our mind." (translated from the German translation).


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Yet the Bible is believed by multidudes, including those who have read Darwin.
That is not evidence either! Hear-say and rumours, and that many people mumble and believe something, is no argument. It says nothing about that what they believe is right or wrong. It just means that they beolieve something and mistake believing with knowing.

CastleBravo 09-13-09 07:33 PM

Having read your post Skybird, the question arises............why hasn't science investigated the Bible? Oh, they have, and cannot disprove it as an ecumenical document. The difference is I'm not trying to convert you to christanity, yet many tell me my faith is flawed. How far does one think that will go in convincing me?

antikristuseke 09-13-09 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1171518)
Having read your post Skybird, the question arises............why hasn't science investigated the Bible? Oh, they have, and cannot disprove it as an ecumenical document. The difference is I'm not trying to convert you to christanity, yet many tell me my faith is flawed. How far does one think that will go in convincing me?

And this is where you fail, the burden of proof is on the maker of the claim. You and other religious people claim there is a god, you provide the evidence for its existance, without evidence it is atural to return to the null hypothesis, which in this case is no belief in god.

CastleBravo 09-13-09 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke (Post 1171520)
And this is where you fail, the burden of proof is on the maker of the claim. You and other religious people claim there is a god, you provide the evidence for its existance, without evidence it is atural to return to the null hypothesis, which in this case is no belief in god.

But I make no claim. You have read too much into the posts. You have claimed their isn't a God, I haven't said there wasn't a Darwin or that his theory doesn't exist. On the contrary, I ask you to explain away the existance of what you don't know. Not being able to explain something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, does it? That is the basis of science, is it not?


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