BRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! Warning buzzer goes off. I don't think it's proper to suggest that here. Either pay and play or don't pay and don't play. Those are your only two choices unless there's a demo coming out.

Not sure if this warrants ringing up the mods or not. They'll see it I'm sure. I feel merciful tonight.

@mookie That IS pretty disgusting isn't it? At least they got it better for the UBM badge. SH3 box was pretty ok too.

MSRP $49.99 USD - why not....

http://pc.ign.com/objects/026/026623.html

Changed my mind. Unfortunately, that's too reportable to ignore. I hate to report somebody with 481 posts.

If ye be a pirate, this not be the site fer yer kind to flaunt it arrrghh! :arrgh!:

If he deletes his post, I'll delete mine.

Only because he fairly new. And I'm not a Moderator.

What is wrong in testing a product before you buy it ?
At work, I just bought a 50$ software (the company pays), it promises to allow you to split and merge multipage TIFF images.
Problem: The demo allows you to work with multitiff images up to 5 pages, while i work with multitiff images up to 50 pages.

I bought the software (my company paid).
Result: with more than 10 pages, the conversion becomes
1. slow
2. crappy (images get distorted and unusable)

Should I trust the demo again ?? I donnnnnnnnnnn't like to get robbed

Second example -> Dangerous Waters:
The general expectations and excitement got me totally about the improvement of Sub Command into a new level.
At game release i spent my 75$ (current exchange) and bought the sim right away. It's not really about the money you know...

The sim (and this will ring up the DW MOD community for the 100'th time) was very playable with official patch 1.00 witch then evolved to patch 1.04.

Problem: the community was not happy and wanted faster corrections (while the same community was pushing to release the sim as soon as possible). MODders activity started. In a complex simulator like Dangerous Waters, to touch little parameters results in a totally new gaming experience. To keep in touch, I would have had to keep in touch to the fast releasing MOD's updates (lots of changements), maybe 10 changes in onme week.

While I was relatively good with Sub Command and Dangerous Waters patched Officially, I totally lost the feeling to the simulator after it started getting Modified (the majority played with the MOD installed).

Result: I pushed to stay with the official patches -> the developer shut the doors and the sim went dead, YES DEAD.

That one about DW is a little an extreme situation i recognize it, as Sonalyst's primary concern is not the gaming industry.
On the other hand, before I buy something, I want to be sure it is not just worth the trashcan.

Let's all hold off on buying SH5, at least for a year, when it is in the bargain bins. That way we can end the Silent Hunter series for once and all. That'll teach 'em. It sure worked for Sonalysts games.

Some very brave companies throw their brand new game straight into the bargain bin in an effort to combat piracy/ revitalise the market maybe Ubi should try that?

Yea and there are some very crappy games in the bargain bin too. You want this series of games to continue, you pay full price. Ubisoft has done a pretty damn good job with the SH franchise. If you don't think so just look at what happened to Rainbow 6.

That ought to straighten out this No-No piracy discussion.

And straighten out a possibley uninformed member.

@BiggsCV
Yes do't get me wrong, I fully agree with supporting the industry, I was just showing how Eidos is tackling the piracy problem in a new and innovative way similar to that which the music industry employs. Plus putting the game out at that price-point might attract a huge volume of new customers who had never played a Subsim before? But I admit it would be a big risk for Ubisoft.

Personally I actually think that software is much cheaper now than it has been and we should not whinge about it too much when our console brethern are paying almost twice as much as we are for an often inferior product.

When I purchased the first SH game it cost £50 SH4 had a retail of £30 twelve? years later. At the end of the day SH5 costs the same as two crappy Hollywood movies you watch once and then assign to your dusty movie shelf. I know what I'll be spending my £30 on!

Only problem with that is we are a very small niche. UBI makes money on the SH series, but nothing like what they did for Rainbow 6 or Ghost Recon.

there are very few games out there that are worthy of the price we pay for them.

personally i think all games are overpriced but so is everything else in this world, plus im a tightwad lol.

in relative terms ubisofts games are a bargin to buy because they end up being good games for a long long time which many compaies cant do.

if you want to wait then thats your choice but not supporting the game when it comes out tells the game company there is no intrest in the game so once they see this data they do not support it with any more resources. its that simple, a game is judged by its initial as well as continuing sales and when they slow down or stop then all work on improvements to the game will also stop.


yes a few lucky people will be able to buy sh5 at the garage sale for $5-$10 from someones kid who doesnt update it or learn how to play it but its not a wide spread thing and you shouldnt plan on being able to do so.

Not too small a niche I think, Ubi now publically state that they have sold over 1.5 million copies in the series. And the very fact that we are geting a 5 indicates financial viability.

Sorry to tell ya, we are a very small niche. Rainbox 6 sold 6.7 million copies from '99-02. Add the sales of Rogue Spear, Raven Shield , Vegas, Vegas 2 and Lockdown........and the sales dwarf those of the SH series.
And that in no way a knock on our small niche.

I'm just glad that UBI has taken much better care of this series than they did R6.

Yes, but how much did those games cost to develop & licence from TC? Plus they were also on the consoles which SH was never has been.

R6 started on the PC. Those sales figures from '99-02 represent PC. Yes later R6 games went to console and have done really well.
But regardless, I'd rather pay $50-$60 and keep the franchise alive. Heck if the game looks and plays well I'll pay $20-$30 for an expansion. :salute:

I'll be a day one-er. :yeah:

Yup, I'm with you on that one, bring on the expansions (especially the long awaited playable destroyer addon !!!)