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iambecomelife 08-18-09 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach (Post 1152045)
I would be overjoyed to see a WWI mod here, i am working on trying to bring WWI into other naval sims and would just love to see it here with the graphics detail we can have with SH IV

i can help with data, doctrine, info, ship info, and any other details as i qualified for command in WWI units, light and heavy, squadrons and fleet command many years ago with the Naval Wargame Society and the 1200 Ship Society in the UK and have continued my interest for over 35 years.

Full Speed Ahead !

I am very partial to the light cruisers and the older heavy crusiers of the Scharnhorst class and style:

here is an SMS Emden by Chris Schell that I have, the model is very detailed .... and she would make a great addition to the mod, there may be some other 3D WWI ships out there, but there arent many that I have found yet....

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6...inthesouth.jpg

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1484/emden.jpg

Chris is working on a series of US dreadnoughts to re create the Great White Fleet .... i dont know if he plans any UK or German BB's, or if he would let us convert these to fit in SHIV but we could ask...

forgot to add - love the Emden model! A gallant ship with a chivalrous captain. :salute:

And as for Shells of Fury, I don't own it so someone would need to give me the models (unless that's frowned upon).

keltos01 08-19-09 01:21 AM

I own it but I lent it to a friend a year ago...

frowned upon : most likely but the game deserves a better engine...


keltos

Sailor Steve 08-19-09 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by iambecomelife (Post 1153521)
Nice comment. One problem was British explosives lacking the same stabilizing chemicals as Germans'.

True, and that problem was not effectively fixed until after the Hood sinking in WW2. The Americans and Italians also had less stable powder than the Germans, but was considered better than the British. The Japanese obtained their powder mixture from the British, so presumably they should have had similar problems.

1) It was observed at the battle of Dogger Bank that the Germans were firing faster than the British. This was partly because the Germans had smaller guns (11.1" v 12" or even 13" in some cases) which meant lighter shells.

2) The Germans didn't have anti-flash doors between the magazines and the turrets, and this almost led to SMS Seydlitz (if I'm remembering correctly - my books aren't with me) blowing up. She was saved by the fast action of a sailor dogging down the doors, and receiving serious burns for which he was awarded and had a Type 34 destroyer named for him (I think it was Theodor Heidekamp, but again I'm not sure). This led to the Germans installing anti-flash doors, which may have helped at Jutland.

3) The British did have anti-flash doors, but the observation of the Germans' faster firing rate may have led Beatty's battlecruiser crews to lock them open to facilitate firing, and may have been the main cause of the loss of the three big cruisers at Jutland. All were observed to have taken turret hits just before exploding, and the fire may have run straight down to the magazines.

4) Tiger also took a turret hit, and had a fire which was blocked by the fast action of a sailor in shutting the doors leading to the magazine. Whether this could have meant the same catastrophe, I don't know.

5) British battlecruisers were originally called 1st Class Armoured Cruisers. The 'Battlecruiser' designation wasn't applied until the great renaming of 1912. In any case, they weren't designed to stand in the line of battle, having only 6" of belt armor in the early ones, and 9" later; as opposed to the German BCs, which carried over 13" on the belt right from the start.

After Jutland all major British warships were given an extra inch of deck armor over the magazines and an extra inch to the turret tops.

WalterJConklin 08-20-09 07:49 PM

Looks like someone is creating a WWI Dreadnaught Mod for Empire Total War http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=227939&highlight=american+civil+w ar&page=93.

http://ww1tw.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&id=72D5ACCA-1B5D-4394-901B-D834EAC8CDD0&fid=CF65FDA2-ABFB-4328-86BE-C4C1F1FF8B98

Perhaps you guys can share models?

iambecomelife 08-22-09 06:32 PM

erm... I am Iambecomelife on both ETW and Subsim. :D I am part of World War I: Total War's naval modeling team (I think you actually sent me a msg about this mod on the other forum!)


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