Obviously we have extremely different standards.Are your examples nuisances? Absolutely. Did they do so much damage and crime to the nation like the real blockbusters I mentioned? No way to answer that with a Yes.

And the president's motives for going to war in Vietnam and Iraq do not compare in any way. Vietnam was a mess, but for very different reasons than the adventure the neocon mafia and their attached economic lobbies pushed your country into. And of the two, Vietnam just let you lose your face, but Iraq has far more threatening strategic longterm consequences, but this just btw.

You're right - perhaps MORE would have been added to the bill.

You'll never see a bill get skimmed without some kind of outcry. Ever.

And no, it's not my position that without the town halls and protests the bill would have gotten through congress by now - congress is in recess. It *IS* my position that, without this outcry, when they reconvene this bill would have been quickly pushed to the floor and passed because that's what Obama has been trying to do all along.

Using your list of scandals, I don't see them as much worse than mine.

George Parr tampering with the election of a Senator, who would ultimately become the democrat president who escalates the Vietnam War is not a mere nuisance. Carter's complete mishandling of Iran wasn't a nuisance. ACORN is not a nuisance (to me anything supplanting the democratic system of elections amounts to treason).

Just like the McCain landslide you predicted?

Fortunately, it is not up to the President but the individual houses of the congress.

The President ASKS congress, he does not tell congress. And that is a good thing.:yeah:

Umm, a heavily democratically controlled congress with listen to a democratic controlled White House, 99% of the time.

Please use your brain when replying to posts. You are displaying a complete lack there of.

-S

In the end what we in the US have is a Republican form of government. We're supposed to anyway. The People are in charge, not the President not Congress nor the SC. Therefore, if the People say "no", than "no" it should be. We have enough people pretending to know how our form of government works, that are in high positions within our government, to negate the need for people to bloviate on and on about the subject when they have not lived under the system.

That may have been true when we had a Republican President and a Republican congress, but it does not appear to be true with a Democratic President and a Democratic congress.

This current congress does not seem to be willing to rubberstamp the President's wishes like the last pair.

You're kidding, right? They passed a MASSIVE stimulus bill that the president asked for in hardly any time at all. And let's not get started on CARS. Sotomayor. This congress has been nothing more than an Obama rubberstamp, and have not put forth any significant resistance to anything the president has asked for.

The bottom line is it is never a good thing when both houses of Congress and the White House are dominated by the same party.

Blue Dog Democrats and the healthcare bill?

vs guys like this?

http://www.end22.com/

You mean you think this is any different than when they complained the stimulus was too expensive until they lopped off a whopping 6%?

The whole point is that the people are speaking out and Congress can ignore them at their own peril. That usually is enough to make them stand against the president.

That's where the anger comes in.

It would appear that 'some' politicos see the perilous path they are treading and fear for there future jobs.

After the stimulous, the cash for clunkers, and now the public display of disapproval they should think twice.