I have no outrage over ACORN. They champion get out the vote campaigns for poor and minority citizens, most of whom traditionally vote democratic. No wonder they're going to be in the sights of the GOP.

As for voter fraud? You mean to tell me if you hire part time, minimum wage paid people to get lists of voters to register, some of them are going to make up names instead of beating the streets? I...uh..can't really say I'm shocked or outraged over that. Especially given the fact that fake registered voters =/= fake votes.

I could be accused of being selective about my outrage, but that's just if you look at what I say here in GT. I actually get a smile out of forcing people to back up their BS. To make grandiose claims with no basis is intellectually self decieving and lowers the level of discourse. I say if you're going to make a statement, you better be sure as this is the internet and people can fact check you in seconds.

Just trying to raise the level of debate, that's all. :03:

No problem with ACORN? Check out the latest embezzlement charges? Tax payer funded embezzlement charges!

http://www.rottenacorn.com/070908_statement.html

Be they dead or alive :har:

Heh... it seems the Air Force dident ask for all these!


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...est=latestnews

Hear! Hear!

Yes we were. Not trying to change the subject myself, just offering up another example. Way back when Congress first decided to hire chaplains, James Madison wrote that the taxpayers shouldn't be billed, the congressmen should pay for them out of their own pockets. The same still holds today: any transportation that doesn't directly involve Congressional business should be paid for by the people involved. Of course they'll say that that trip to St. Croix was 'business', as was lunch with the senator from Tennessee.

These people routinely waste our money, and then blame anybody and everybody but themselves.

So wait - you're okay with voter fraud so long as the people perpetuating it are ostensibly out there to register voters in your preferred party's demographic?

It's not voter fraud, as the names they turned in are not voters and never voted and never influenced the outcome of any election.

How do you know?

Go nuts.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...cusations.html

How is that an ACORN problem? They legally have to submit all voter registrations, real or fake. Imagine if a voter registration organization could pick and choose which ones they wanted to submit...it'd be easy to throw out the ones you thought were going to vote against your party by saying they looked fake.

You have some hard evidence ACORN does not practice this? :hmmm: So you are saying in a predominantly democratic neighborhood if one person steps forward and fills out the form as a republican the form will be submitted by an ACORN prepresentative? There is no funny stuff at all? :06:

And legally they are not to embezzle. Oh well.

In any case, you've already stated that you don't mind some kind of fraud so long as it's in the interest of your party.

Hence, my point about your outrage being selective stands.

Wouldn't it be amazing if we could all just put our party affiliations aside and call a duck a duck?

For instance, I agree that so-called "astroturfing" exists and is a crappy tactic, no matter who uses is. Also, I believe that voter registration organizations that target political demographics, and ALLOW for a measure of fraud, are crappy organizations. I don't care what side they're on.

Did I?

In a round about way. That is how I interpreted your view of ACORN and how it operates.

Indeed.

Ask yourself this, mookie: how come it is so easy for you to find justification for the transgressions of your party, while being outraged at the transgressions of the other side?

The funny thing is, independant thinking is FAR easier than keeping up with the BS and spin from the party you choose to affiliate with, but so many people would rather just go with the party line.

Ahem... er back on topic.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124969431303416161.html

"Yes we can"

If not for public awarness and outcry over this debacle it would have slid on through.