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Sea Demon 07-16-09 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1135174)
I don't quite get the whole "I need a big car to carry stuff around."

I also hate how SUVs drive.

Then don't buy one. And respect the fact that others do like them and will purchase them accordingly.

Stealhead 07-16-09 11:32 AM

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/268/talibanthumb.jpg

God I want a Mini so badly I hear Ak-47s fit inside them nicely.
Whatever I want a Mountianeer with rear seat DVD so my goats can watch movies and
I will be able to fit more AK-47s and all of you guys and tie my wife to the roof.
I want a Prius so I can be one with nature.
Who said that I am going to shoot whoever said that about the Prius!
Driver:Shut up and respect that I am choosing to drive this Toyo.:rotfl:

Max2147 07-16-09 11:36 AM

Gas mileage depends mostly on how and where you drive it, not really on how much is in it.

If I drive it like a madman and in a city with a lot of traffic, I could probably get it down to 20 mpg. But with pure highway driving I was comfortably above 40 mpg.

The nice thing about a stick shift car is that you have a lot more control over the mileage. If you want to have a bit of fun and burn a bit more fuel you can run up the revs (the Mini is a blast on highway onramps, especially if they have a few curves), but if you want to be economical you can save a lot of gas by short shifting and coasting in neutral down hills.

But like some others have said, it's mostly down to personal taste. My point was that people tend to exaggerate the flaws of small cars while overlooking a lot of their capabilities.

My beef with SUVs isn't really environmental. I just like cars, and I think driving should be enjoyable. I judge a car based on how it handles and how fast it can take a corner, and SUVs suck for both of those.

Sailor Steve 07-16-09 11:39 AM

My last car was a '94 Ford Escort wagon. It got 32 mpg in town, and 44 on the freeway. With a whopping 88 horsepower (new - probably only 85 or less when I lost it), it could go from 0-to-60 in something less than a week. But it could haul band equipment, boxes of books and just about anything else I needed to carry. For speed and fun I'll stick with my Kawasaki (if I can ever afford to get the poor thing running again). My next car will probably be a van, as the Old Sailor's band is back together once again.

Max2147 07-16-09 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1135226)
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/268/talibanthumb.jpg

God I want a Mini so badly I hear Ak-47s fit inside them nicely.
Whatever I want a Mountianeer with rear seat DVD so my goats can watch movies.
I want a Prius so I can be one with nature.
Who said that I am going to shoot whoever said that about the Prius!:rotfl:

The Toyota Hilux pickup has its virtues as well, namely being completely indestructible.

Top Gear once tried to destroy one, and the results were pretty impressive.....

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrk6vsb77xk
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uc4Ksz3nHM
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZDtC9kjVk

clive bradbury 07-16-09 11:42 AM

Personally, I do not think about the planet, or my pocket, particularly, when I am buying a car. The main issue for me is whether I fit in it. I am 6' 4", and have been accustomed to living in a world designed for stunted midgets of 5' 11" and less. This means that about 80% of cars on the European market are quite simply too small for me to drive comfortably.

I have owned a SAAB for the past three years, and loved it. However as the new models are re-badged vauxhalls with really tacky interior trim I cannot go there.

So I am going for a Golf - plenty of room for the driver. So this time it is VW for me.

AVGWarhawk 07-16-09 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1135230)
Gas mileage depends mostly on how and where you drive it, not really on how much is in it.

If I drive it like a madman and in a city with a lot of traffic, I could probably get it down to 20 mpg. But with pure highway driving I was comfortably above 40 mpg.

The nice thing about a stick shift car is that you have a lot more control over the mileage. If you want to have a bit of fun and burn a bit more fuel you can run up the revs (the Mini is a blast on highway onramps, especially if they have a few curves), but if you want to be economical you can save a lot of gas by short shifting and coasting in neutral down hills.

But like some others have said, it's mostly down to personal taste. My point was that people tend to exaggerate the flaws of small cars while overlooking a lot of their capabilities.

My beef with SUVs isn't really environmental. I just like cars, and I think driving should be enjoyable. I judge a car based on how it handles and how fast it can take a corner, and SUVs suck for both of those.

I have no issues with small cars. Hell, drove a Geo Storm for 5 years. I do hate stick shifts. Man, stop and go during rush hour. Talk about a worn out left leg from pumping that darn clutch pedal :-?


Storm:http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/...990419-480.jpg



Not a family car for sure.

CastleBravo 07-16-09 12:04 PM

I have never really understood the fascination folks have with large SUV/Hummer/large trucks. I often pose the question of inverse purportion, but seldom get anything more than a dirty look. :O:

I have owned a 32 mpg vehicle since 2000 and it runs just fine. I won't be replacing it anytime soon.

Schroeder 07-16-09 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1135230)

you can save a lot of gas by short shifting and coasting in neutral down hills.

Does you Mini still have a carburettor? If not then you should leave the highest gear in while coasting. The injection system won't eject any fuel above a certain RPM level. If you go to neutral the RPMs will drop and the system will inject idle fuel to keep the engine alive.
BTW you can use your engine to support braking with that. Just shift one or two gears down (you should keep it within reasonable revs though;)). Saves plenty of brakes.:yeah:

AVGWarhawk 07-16-09 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1135252)
I have never really understood the fascination folks have with large SUV/Hummer/large trucks. I often pose the question of inverse purportion, but seldom get anything more than a dirty look. :O:

I have owned a 32 mpg vehicle since 2000 and it runs just fine. I won't be replacing it anytime soon.


You need to read the thread! Practicality for me and an SUV.

AVGWarhawk 07-16-09 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1135254)
Does you Mini still have a carburettor? If not then you should leave the highest gear in while coasting. The injection system won't eject any fuel above a certain RPM level. If you go to neutral the RPMs will drop and the system will inject idle fuel to keep the engine alive.
BTW you can use your engine to support braking with that. Just shift one or two gears down (you should keep it within reasonable revs though;)). Saves plenty of brakes.:yeah:

I don't think anything is built without fuel injection in today's auto world. Fuel efficent is 14:1 air/fuel mixture. Fuel injections does a much better job than a carb could every do. BTW, automatics also downshift automatically and saves your brakes. :03:

CastleBravo 07-16-09 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1135258)
You need to read the thread! Practicality for me and an SUV.

I read the thread and understand quite well the practicality issue. But all too often I see these large vehicles with only one occupant. Its their choice/money of course and wouldn't want to take that choice away from them. My response was me thinking out loud. I guess I do that too often.:), Think out loud that is.:O:

Schroeder 07-16-09 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1135259)
I don't think anything is built without fuel injection in today's auto world.

Minis have been around for more than 40 years. Maybe his is an old version.;)

AVGWarhawk 07-16-09 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1135264)
I read the thread and understand quite well the practicality issue. But all too often I see these large vehicles with only one occupant. Its their choice/money of course and wouldn't want to take that choice away from them. My response was me thinking out loud. I guess I do that too often.:), Think out loud that is.:O:

Well, that is true. For most you do see just the driver in the SUV. But you never really know if it is the family truckster. In my case, my wife is a teacher and kids go to the school she works for. So, the truck is always hauling at least 3 during the week days and 4 on the weekends. :D It is just more practical for us at the moment. Right now, my Lincoln is not practical really it is just I enjoy a large car. This one has a large motor:D I pass everything but a gas station:D

AVGWarhawk 07-16-09 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1135268)
Minis have been around for more than 40 years. Maybe his is an old version.;)


Oh hell, I do not see three adults with hockey equipment in one of the original carborated mini :har:

FIREWALL 07-16-09 01:38 PM

The best car made is.... One that fits your needs and desires while, being one you can AFFORD. :yep:

Task Force 07-16-09 02:00 PM

I like large cars... and large cars usualy have large engine blocks so enging size dosent bother me... I cant stand something that I cant drive comfertable in... so short cars are out of the picture...

Enviornmentaly... friendly... cannot compute...
I am not a fan of enviromently friendly cars... I see it this way... I could have e eco frendly car and the guy next to me could have a v 12... i could be being eco frendly... but theres hundereds of others that are not... (not includeing the factorys/planes/ships/mines mineing the new materials for the new car.)

In otherwords... I think bigger is better!:D

In otherwords... id like one of these.... the convertable version...
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3...daroadster.jpg
My favorite modern supercar...

Schroeder 07-16-09 02:37 PM

I always wondered what you are doing with V8s and bigger engines in a country that allows you only to go 65 mph?
My 4 cylinder engine with 89hp can get me to 110mph, so what do you need all that power (and fuel consumption) for when you can't go faster than 65 anyway?:06:

Task Force 07-16-09 02:41 PM

we have areas over here that go up to 90 if i am correct... (plus the popo dont know what ya do on the back roads...)

In trucks v8 + engines are for pulling...

and cause I dont want a car I dont like... I myself would perfer to get a car I could enjoy...

In my opinion... a car should be fun, something id enjoy to drive, not some car that puts around and I hate...

CastleBravo 07-16-09 02:42 PM

The simple answer is, that need and want are two different things. Americans have always had a love affair with bigger, faster, etc., regardless of usefulness. I understand it, I don't neccessarily partake in it but I understand it.


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