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Kapt Z 06-24-09 02:57 PM

How do you know the 'pleasure boat' has not been commandeered by the RN and used as a coast watcher vessel???:hmmm:

Wouldn't that make her a legitimate 'military' target?

Seems hard to imagine any civilian would go out on a day sail in a war zone.

VirtualVikingX 06-24-09 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z (Post 1123024)
How do you know the 'pleasure boat' has not been commandeered by the RN and used as a coast watcher vessel???:hmmm:

Wouldn't that make her a legitimate 'military' target?

Seems hard to imagine any civilian would go out on a day sail in a war zone.

Hehe, welcome to the world of the legal advisors! :D

As to the historic fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestr...marine_warfare

"For the first few weeks of World War II, the German Navy attempted to honour Nazi Germany's treaty obligations, but that attempt was in trouble almost immediately following the sinking of SS Athenia by U 30, and it was abandoned at the end of November or the beginning of December 1939 with the issuing of War Order No. 154."

The submarine captains, not considering order number 154, was in no other situation than many soldiers/sergeants is today. "Is the guy up on the corner there a civilian or a combatant...?"

Think fast!

At least as a sub captain you have some time to think about you actions. If you want to role-play the law of armed conflict I mean. And I don't think any sub commander would risk anything for 12 tons.

Sailor Steve 06-25-09 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VirtualVikingX (Post 1122996)
Hi guys - be lurking for some time. Great forums!

WELCOME ABOARD! I don't know if you're using a translator, but if not your English is just fine.

As to your point, it's a good one. Me, I avoid them just because they're such a waste of good ammunition.

VirtualVikingX 06-26-09 02:26 AM

Thanks Steve! Nice to be welcomed even if i didnt start a thread as my first post. :O:

(And no, I dont use a translator. :know: Of course correct grammar is "BEEN lurking". Hard to spot those typing errors some times.)

sharkbit 06-26-09 08:47 AM

I tend to leave them alone.
Although, once off the coast of the US in '42, I gunned one down for a little revenge. A puny little ASW trawler kept me down for hours in the shallows. Mostly just circling and pinging. No depth charges. Very annoying, those things.
Once I got free, later that night I spotted one and.......:arrgh!:

Jimbuna 06-26-09 08:51 AM

Welcome aboard VirtualVikingX http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...ies/pirate.gif

Lord Biceps 01-03-10 02:25 PM

I flak gunned an 8-ton British sloop on my first patrol. I just couldn't stop grinning as I approached and it pathetically tried to escape at 2 kts against the wind. It felt like stepping on an ant. :arrgh!:

danurve 01-13-10 01:56 PM

You shoot the enemy to kill your enemy, no mercy.

Besides, how do you know the Schooner skipper didn't insult your girlfriend?

AA guns, like your going to use them on aircraft anyway ;)

frau kaleun 01-13-10 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by danurve (Post 1235798)
Besides, how do you know the Schooner skipper didn't insult your girlfriend?

OTOH how do you know she's not on the schooner with him?

You know us ladies, we can't be trusted. :O:

Sailor Steve 01-13-10 02:45 PM

And that changes the situation how? After all, if you're not to be trusted...

frau kaleun 01-13-10 03:01 PM

She's still angry that you ran off to join the Kriegsmarine instead of marrying her like you promised. This Engelander, he means nothing, nothing! She's just acting out her loneliness and frustration in the only way she knows how and hoping you'll feel a fraction of the same pain you've caused her. Just come home on leave a little more often and stop giving her crabs when you do and all will be forgiven.

In conclusion, if you sink that ship you'll never know how much you really mean to her, and also miss out on some really hot wartime make-up sex. I'm just sayin'.

Sailor Steve 01-13-10 03:03 PM

:rotfl2:

Well, when you put it like that...

frau kaleun 01-13-10 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1235845)
:rotfl2:

Well, when you put it like that...

...sex sells, the end. :O:

Torvald Von Mansee 01-13-10 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z (Post 1123024)
How do you know the 'pleasure boat' has not been commandeered by the RN and used as a coast watcher vessel???:hmmm:

Wouldn't that make her a legitimate 'military' target?

Seems hard to imagine any civilian would go out on a day sail in a war zone.

Door Gunner: "Get some!! get some!!!" *BRAP!! BRRRAP!!* "Anyone running is a VC!!! Anyone standing still is a well disciplined VC!!"

Pvt. Joker: "How can you shoot women and children?"

Door Gunner: "Easy!! You just don't lead as much!!"

Torvald Von Mansee 01-13-10 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Biceps (Post 1229803)
I flak gunned an 8-ton British sloop on my first patrol. I just couldn't stop grinning as I approached and it pathetically tried to escape at 2 kts against the wind. It felt like stepping on an ant. :arrgh!:

I've noticed in the conning tower there is a pair of MG 34s. Why can't we use these in the game? :C

BulSoldier 01-13-10 03:31 PM

I think there are '42s but i dont have the game right now i may be wrong.It would be fun to make thousand wholes in the woden bathtub :D

Iranon 01-13-10 04:06 PM

The aim is to disrupt the enemy's war effort, not to kill civilians.

I'll avoid being seen if I can, otherwise I greet them in passing, since anyone reckless enough to go on a pleasure cruise in sub-infested waters deserves a certain respect.

Kimmers 01-14-10 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GalaKev (Post 1124055)
I would, but only if at night time, with nothing around. It would be guns and not torps.

Being in Oct '39 at the moment I have my crystal ball aboard.

As Mystic Kev, I can see many small ships sailing accross the Channel, I see the name Dunkirk. I can see many soldiers on baord these ships.

Just think, sink all small ships and maybe History may change. :salute:

HAHAHA such a good point. one more yacht gone means ten less british soldiers later in the war :arrgh!:

Jimbuna 01-14-10 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee (Post 1235861)
I've noticed in the conning tower there is a pair of MG 34s. Why can't we use these in the game? :C

They're just eye candy unfortunately.


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