And while your thinking about this "ass kissing tour", as if that were not childish and simplistic enough, think about how the people upset with Obama for trying to gain ground in the Muslim world through diplomacy and conversation were all for reform in Iraq via military action.

im for cutting all ties to the middle east period. no good relations, no bad relations... just no relations.

to hell with them

The two are not analogous.

The problem with Mr. O's apologies is they are the same thing Bush and company said. 'We are not at war with Islam'. We are at war with people who use Islam as the basis for their war on us. And its not just the US, these folks who want the rise of a caliphate are causing trouble world wide.

2009.06.03IndiaShopian10A teenaged girl is shot to death inside her home by Islamic terrorists.

2009.06.03PhilippinesMaguindanao24A woman is among two people killed in a Moro Islamist bomb blast.

2009.05.16ChechnyaGrozny45Four people are killed by a Shahid suicide bomber.

2009.04.12IranShiraz14160The Sunni Jihadi Movement bombs a Shia prayer gathering, killing fourteen people.

2009.04.14Pal. Auth.Gaza10A 28-year-old woman is murdered by her family in an honor killing.

The list goes on and on. Europe has had its share of violence aswell.

Apologies? Hog wash. Pure fiction.

He did not apologize for America's actions after 9/11.

He did not give sympathy, or look for excuses for the attacks on our soil, based on our previous policies before 9/11.

The man specifically raised 9/11 to justify America's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Which you boys have been screaming about for 8 years until it's said by a Democrat.

He went on to say Iraqis were better off without Saddam Hussein.

He described our presence in Iraq as being for the purpose of supplying Iraq and Iraqis with freedom.

He told them, in this Muslim capital, that bond between Israel and the United States is "unbreakable."


You really can't have it both ways kids. I mean, you can, but after a while you just look like your obsessed with disliking liberals and democrats, and any indication of progress or even the attempt thereof, in the Muslim world. You may not like Obama's policy's on a whole, but if you have a problem with what he is doing in the Middle East on this tour, and with what he said in that speech, you don't dislike his idea's, for they were perfectly acceptable to you 6 months ago. You dislike his political stripe. Too bad.

sure it is.

If the Arabs are not our enemies - i dont know what to call them... there are probably more Arab terrorist than that of virtually any other nation.

there will never be peace in the middle east - it is the anal wart of the world and its people covet a twisted and perverse religion.

in America - i am entitled to my opinion - no matter how backwoods or redneck or wrong you might think it is - but those people are slime.

as far as im concerned they can keep the beloved fuhrer - he has more in common with them than us.

Who is "us", and what are the things Obama has in common with Muslims, (or did you mean terrorists? or are they one and the same thing?) that he doesn't have in common with us?

Know what, don't bother answering. The very premise is absurd, and laughable.

anything you say. :up:

open your eyes Enigma... you will see a socialist in the white house.

you're right... arguing with you is laughable.

I don't dislike you Enigma - really - i like to think of Subsim as a fraternity - sort of a brotherhood... perhaps im a fool for thinking so but thats how i look at it, i dont feel like i have anything but friends here.

we are allowed to disagree though.

and here is the point where you and I face different directions.

I dont dislike Obama - i just happen to disagree with 9 out of 10 of his actions and policies.

we need leadership HERE

we need guidance HERE

we need example HERE

we need leadership HERE

what we get is date night, and a bowing out to Saudi Royalty

My goodness Enigma. I can't believe the "change" that has been brought to us. It's very apparent to alot of people that Obama is at best a naive idealist in how he has approached the so called "Muslim" world. It was an absolute grovel fest. A disgrace. It was an embarassing display of "moral equivalence" in terms of Palestinians and Israelis. I don't know how any Jewish group in America could ever vote for him due to his disgusting equivalence regarding the holocaust.

This is, from what I see, looking to be the worst presidential administration in history. At least it looks like that's what he's shooting for.

P.S. And yes, GR.....he is steering us towards socialist policy. How anybody couldn't see that, it would have to be blind worship.

:rotfl:oooooooooooooookaaaaaay:

http://imgur.com/Zxbfn.jpg

Yeah, but what you're forgetting are the banks and them being controlled over TARP funds, the statist policies regarding pay and other corporate structures, the working towards government run healthcare...etc. This guy's just getting started. He has initiatives spanning government control of health care, banks, and energy. And he just got done nationalizing the automotive industry in America. A business that ripples out to suppliers, dealers, and maintenance facilities.

He is selectively giving large equity stakes in GM to those who didn't put up the capital risk, and selectively shutting out private bondholders who did invest the capital. That is redistributive, and unconstitutional. And it is a precedent for disincentivizing investment. All this should be unthinkable for an American President to do. This guy is a disaster for our nation. And yes....he is very much a socialist.

Pretty graph..but it doesn't tell the story.

Now that obama is in france, he can apologize for our aggresive and selfish actions in liberating Western Europe.

Shame on us:shifty:. Bad Amerika.

Yep....He needs to apologize for the evil Americans who helped liberate Kuwaiti, Bosnian and Muslims in Kosovo, as well as the thousand of Muslims that were saved in Somalia. You can give this breed the shirt of your back and they will stab you as you walk away. It is in their nature.

Wait a minute. Haven't you spent the last few years lambasting these very same ideas when they were being promoted by a Republican?

Yes. I disagree with the President on alot of what was said. What's your point?

Someone should do a tally on how many of your posts end with "what's your point?"

By the way, *I* understood his point... :salute:

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.. Eventually the topic got around to Obama.

The old rancher said, 'Well, ya know, Obama is a 'Post Turtle''.
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was.
The old rancher said, 'When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'.

The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. 'You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with'.

That about sums it up for the Europeans after last week's elections.

And what do we have here? More warmongering. Ugh. Now I remember why I don't visit GT very often.

These forums would really benefit from having some Muslim people. :yep:

How about ex-Muslims, too?