While I like the graphics and the damage thingy is great I'm going to wait on this one and see how everything turns out.

It has 4 planes and a handfull of SM.

That's fine for $19.99 But not $40.00 - $45.00

Will future planes and missions be payware ?

The Fokker D.VII, DFW, SPAD, Nieuport 28, Breguet 14, and the Nieuport 17 and Albatros D.V will be in a patch.

I'm not thrilled about the low number of planes or single missions either, but where the game really makes up for this is in its campaign mode and multiplayer mode (ESPECIALLY the multiplayer mode; you can have up to 32 people flying together online at once and expansions for that number are planned; you get massive dogfights all the time, lol).

I disagree here, but that's because they're a tiny Russian developer that can't work on their own time (unlike mod teams...) and have been trying to expand their business more and more. And I think they've earned it.

Just remember that they built this game up over 5 years from scratch, and with all the features that make it up (like the physics system and air particle system), that's quite an impressive feat.

It's the most realistic flight sim you're going to get to date, quite simply.

Yes and no. Missions will not cost money, planes will. It will work like this: a new plane is released, the new plane costs like $3 or $4 upon release, after 30 days it's made free for download for the world. You'll get skins and the like with the plane as well.

As of right now, there are premade skins available for use. They are still testing out a custom paint scheme creator program for the game that will probably be done by July. It was going to be included in the release, but they had some debugging troubles with it that needed fixing.

Having played IL2 a lot online I can answer that such event of a ''massive'' dogfights occure rarely.
you perhaps find yourself here and there in dogfights with 8 participants.
its due the the time you spot people fighting and the flightime it takes you to get really involed and by the time you finally get there the situation has changed. It's due that people fly as Lone wolfs and ignore team tactics in most cases

unless you get into a Online Squadron/Clan/Jasta or whatever your not going to see enjoyable size furballs.
its teamwork on both sides that make Flightsims online fun, but on public you quikly notice that people just go ''lone wolf'' to rank up their scores by themselfs.

Most realistic Flightsim??? perhaps WW1 but not generally the most realistic Flight sim to date.

HunterICX

IL2 is not ROF.

Wait- do you mean SP? If so, you can get up to 50 planes at times (without much impact on the FPS) but 16 was the most I've seen so far from people posting screenshots.

This is not the case for ROF. You can either start off at your aerodrome or in flight, depending on what the server admin wants and what the mission is.

Strong and unjust criticism. You clearly haven't talked to any of the Russian players yet...

You get that with any game, though. That's why I joined Jasta 5 when RB3D came out.

What is then? What other can compare with this:

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/143419..._2_041709.html

New Screenhots
 

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...5&d=1244405465
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...8&d=1244405465


http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...4&d=1244534741

I know, but it is still a CFS

I was talking about MP games where the 32 player slots are taken up by players.
now you really think 32 players are going to be in 1 dogfight?
unless the mapsize is small which I know it isnt your not going to see big furballs unless you play on both sides as teams and you confront at a certain point.

Mid air spawns ruin everything IMO, take offs and landings are the trickiest and yet most fun parts of any Flightsims.

but I wasnt refering to that...its the time that you SPOT contacts (by this time probally dots) and the time for you to get there in a aircraft which isn't going really fast. by the time you reach the area where the fight has been going on since you spotted it might be long over.

How so? people in groups/clans/Jasta's play way better as a team then a bunch of people that are not related to eachother by any group including the Russians.
and I've played with them plenty of times in IL2 and other games.

perhaps it's time to get some glasses?

read the bold/italic/underline part REALLY carefully.

HunterICX

Although they're completely different otherwise.

Like I said, have you read the Russians discussing the game? It's not uncommon to get that many people flying in one.

This screenshot is from an online match:

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...5&d=1243884604

Even though it's a combat flight simulator?:hmmm:

And this is only reserved for WWI flight sims and/or Rise of Flight?

No. It comes with any CFS game you purchase. You're going to hit skirmishes and you're going to miss them. It's inevitable and comes with ANY online game (be it a tank simulator, aircraft simulator, or infantry simulator).

That's not always the case. We both know this. I've played plenty of online games over the years and have been able to cooperate effectively and efficiently with people not in clans. You have too...

Russian ROF players you mean?

Oh I already have some. See below for my elaboration.

I did. That wasn't what I was asking you the first time, so let me ask again even more clearly.

What flightsim (be it a combat one or a leisure one) can compare to the details of ROF? What other can compare to it in terms of particle physics, historical accuracy, engine superiority, etc.?

Well, ofcourse its still a Flightsim is it not? did real life pilots have the chance of spawning mid air with the aircraft?

and I think the same counts for WW1 aircombat nothing is more thrilling then a scramble.


No ofcourse not, it counts for pretty much any CFS, the faster and powerfull the aircraft are the faster situations change thats the only difference.

You ever played Online Squadron vs the rest in a CFS?(or different game)
I did and our team (the rest) got our asses kicked...reason: perhaps 20-30% of the team played together the rest just took off whenever they wanted they didnt fly as a group and they didnt fight as a group.
and I didnt only experience this in a CFS I also did in a FPS.

I've experienced that too, thing is it's random...one day you are around with decent players the other day your with a bunch of silent ones that just fly around by themselfs.


You reffered Russian players, not Russian ROF players.


How can you compare anything to a WW1 FS other then a other WW1 FS
and how can you call something that focuses itself just on WW1 to be the superior to date?

you see it simply doesn't make sense to say ROF is the most realistic flightsim to date....as it doesn't model what other flightsims has to offer.

HunterICX

I want to thank you Stealth Hunter for a wealth of info and great screenshots. :up:

It seems it's more geared for online\multiplayer than a at home single player. At least at this time.

As I stated before , it has alot going for it. :yep:

I just want more for the money up front at purchase.

Says the guy with the Ferrari?:o

What has this to do with this topic ?

If your Trolling for trouble I can help you find it. :yep:

Hey easy, this wasn't meant to insult you.:o
I'm just surprised that someone with a Ferrari cares about 40$.

Hmmm... If someone has a ferrari... Il buy ROF and trade with them.:rotfl: myself im gonna look at the end product before I make any judgement.

What I own has nothing to do with this topic.

I spend MY money how I see fit.

Btw I don't consider a used Ferrari a big deal.

Yeah.

No, but this isn't real life and it never will be. More importantly, ROF has the ability to be two things: the player can fly under simulator difficulty (more realism) or under a more arcade style difficulty (more action).

And if you think you've flown a hard flight model before and can immediately step into ROF and fly with no problem under realistic settings, you had best take a step back and talk to the people who already own it. It's hard, putting it simply.

Glad to see we agree on this then.

Exactly.

Yes. I used to be a part of Red Baron 3D's Jasta 5 MP squadron years ago.

Although now that I think about it, that really comes with pretty much any game, doesn't it? I mean, unless you have a passworded server, you'll always have rogues here and there.

Neobq is a Russian company, the game is only out in Russia (although CIS nations have it... but they're basically owned by Russia lol), Russians are the main people playing it ATM, and they're really the only people that you can come into frequent contact with on the net to chat with about it. Sim HQ has them on all the time.

Engine capabilities, graphics, attention to detail, you know...

Because there's no other game like it in terms of the engine it uses to simulate the world and make gameplay what it is, the detail of the planes, and the scope it covers.

Such as? There's no other one in existence that has engine features like it. I mean, an actual air particle system? That's never been done before in a flight sim. And the damage model is also a first, not to mention the flight model. The graphics likewise are superior to all others in existence to date, and the AI has had the community in awe.

It's a historic game for flight sims that will most certainly set the standard for future ones. It's quite simple. You will not be able to find a flight sim that can surpass ROF in these fields.

More good points made Stealth Hunter :up:

I'm weakening. :DL :yep:

Stealth Hunter, I wouldn't say that ROF is the most graphicly advanced combat flight sim in comparison to IL-2. It looks more like it has CFS3ish graphics than IL-2ish. Also we have no way of comparing the flight and modeling as there hasn't been a WW1 cfs that hasn't been some sort of add-on or mod for an existing combat flight sim. Or at least not since Red Baron 3D.

CFS3 does not have HDR and bloom available for use, nor does it feature a water reflection/refraction system, a heat haze effect system (like Empire Total War's, for example), a weather haze effect system (also like ETW's), and a terrain rendering system based off satellite data and Great War records as well as photographs.

This:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...ntitled-28.jpg

Will never be able to compare itself to this:

http://www.nd.ru/images/products/771...hot_big_01.jpg

Well according to the OFF devs, reviewers have been comparing ROF to OFF in terms of gameplay. So, if that's true, one does have something to compare ROF to.

So hows this game on bugs, crashed, and all that stuff.:hmmm: