Declined my bum.
People of conservative natures have been saying such things since the dawn
of time. For some the golden age is in the past and the dystopia in the future
what ever age they live in.

Western civilization has practically been defined by it's assimilation of anything
and everything. There have been times when practically all countries that
had adopted western civilization have been destroyed, but still the idea
survives.
It is no utopia, but has never been in better shape.

Due to my well-known criticism of failed integration policy, failed policy of multiculturalism , spreading Islam, and the EU in it's many implications, you are not surprised that I could not disagree more. I do not see the West assimilating anymore. I see it being dissolved, rejecting any own identity based on history (which often gets rewritten or simply ignored and forgotten), rotting from within, perverting it's former positve ideals into hurtful extremes, hijacking accepted labels for content of exactly the opposite meaning, and falling prey to foreign conquesting culture.

Sunset in the West.

To get back to the thread topic....

The idiots that did that deserve to be hung out to rot. The fact the may not belive that something happened doesn't give them the right to terrorize others.:stare:

Did you just quote uncle adolf from one of his rallies ?

No, I think he is just observing his environment here in Germany.:shifty:

Never having met your family, I honestly can say: No.

@Skybird :I think that they prabably saw the same shock\holocaust movies as the rest of the German youth get shoved down there throats being they were Austrians and Austria has the same sick policy.

You also say "Fashists are not just criminals. They are by ideology enemies of the state/nation/constitutional order that they want to destroy. they do not want to ignore or break laws - they want to destroy law itself." But didnt the Nazi's say the same thing about the other side example,

"Communists\capitalism are not just criminals. They are by ideology enemies of the state/nationional order that they want to destroy. They do not want to ignore or break laws - They want to destroy law itself."

I think its the parents fault for their childrens failings. Its not up to some book, movie, song to teach the youth right from wrong. Its in the family structure that they are taught the rules of society. With family values eroding its no suprise kids are becoming Anarchists, Nazi's, Communists, Drug abusers etc.

[QUOTENever having met your family, I honestly can say: No. ][/QUOTE]
Sorry old boy but there are no Austrian ex corporals in my family .
Might I suggest that you look closer to home ?

Nice try to twist what I said, but I think the Nazis did not depend on the modern German constitution (that happens to celebrate it's 60th birthday next week, btw.). So their defiinition of what threatens the state must have been different than mine, for "state" had a different meaning for them than for me, and most people today. One could even say that there idea of dstate and our idea of state are almost mutually exclusive.

I would love to threaten and destroy the state of the Nazis. I try to defend and raise the state of the past 60 years that came after them, and it's form of how it was meant to be by its founders after WWII.

However I agree that capitalism is destructive to any national and state-liike order - if it is allowed to run completerly ungoverned and unmonitored and fully liberal in understanding. Capitalism in its pure form is the ultimate form of egoism, but a community depends on a minimum of altruistic mindset of it'S members, else the idea of "comunity" is impossible to realise. Also, Capitalism, is a completly material ideology not caring for any non-material values like morals, ethics, and philosphical ideas and values. Materialism simply denies that these things exist or should be payed attention to, since they have no material(istic) correlate (money, for example).

Communism to me is as materialistic an ideology as is capitalism. So in principle, the same criticism fits. This is what Marx has not realised, although he was a very sharp-minded observer of capitalism. His observations are worth to be remembered. Just the conclusions on communism he drew from them are wrong. I personally am conviocned that with humans, truly communistic spocieties will never work if they exceed a certain, relatively small size, that maybe is even smaller than the critical size a community must not exceed for being able to maintain a truly functional democratic system.

Too huge societies always seem to lead into more or less hidden feudal structures and absolutistic forms of controlling them. The modern West in my percepetion already is more feudal/absolutistic/oligarchic than democratic/liberal/free.

Might I suggest you simply sit in your sandbox and pick your nose and collect you boogers in silence instead of throwing them at others? Running around and calling others you do not like as Nazis, does not say much about them, but all the more about yourself. ;)

I hope there won't be more of this neo-nazi crap with the 65th anniversaries of the liberations of the camps and other WW 2 events coming up.

I dont believe its just Germany experiencing such a thing, either.

[QUOTE][Might I suggest you simply sit in your sandbox and pick your nose and collect you boogers in silence instead of throwing them at others? Running around and calling others you do not like as Nazis, does not say much about them, but all the more about yourself/QUOTE]
Thats funny , the 4th post in the topic made the comparrison to your rant about removing rights from people .
That must say somehing about what you wrote eh .
A simple test for you skybird , take your statement and replace the ideolgical, politcal , socal , religious or whatever group in the rant you are making , replace it with Jews and see if you sound like one of uncle adolfs little helpers .
If the jackboot fits then wear it .:down:

Every terrier is a dog.

And therefore, according to you, every dog is a terrier.

If you cannot see the difference between the modern German constitution, and the fascist idea of a society, then nobody can help you, and nobody will take you serious, and talking with oyu makes no sense and is useless anyhow. You could as well mistake the Ku-Klux-Klan's ideas with the declaration of human rights.

I am all for freedom of expression. It does not matter whether I agree or disagree with their position.

However, then it morphs in to acts of violence, that's where the line has to be drawn.

Shout what they want to shout. But as soon as some of these people started to make violent attacks, it stopped being an expression of viewpoint and is now a criminal act.

Lets see , the knights website ...muticulturalism , politicians selling out the people to minorities , criminals being pandered to , bloody foriegners , desruction of the cherished history , pseudo humans and gibbering monkeys..it goes on and on .
Sorry Skybird but you are wrong , I couldn't mistake the Klans ideas with the declaration of human rights , but I could certainly mistake them with your rants.