Read it again Enigma....those before Obama that sweated and toiled are inspiring. No where did I say this was not relevant. I said these folks are inspiring. MLK, Tuskegee Airmen....relevant and inspiring. Where did I ignore anything? Did I say it was not significant that he was elected? No. I said I was not inspired. Ok. So?

Another day sparing with Enigma! :D

Hrm... Bush wasent a president then I take it.

Look Id love to continue to argue with you but its a waste of my time. You seem fixated on this mouse thing yet the wetlands project remains in the bill. I looked for it but its hard to find amongst the 9,000 other earmarks.

I see a lot of denial in your statements "Grass Roots movement without Royality" by that Im hope you mean Royality as in the royal family and not financal compensation. If it was the latter you would be sadley mistaken.

No idea what you mean by this.

How convenient.

I will continue to remind you that you spin, spin, spin in the name of party politics, truth be damned. Don't do it, you won't have to hear it.

Show me my denial. I'll be here.

Obama is known as a great orator.

So was Hitler.

JOEINCIDENCE?!

You know, when this 'indoctrination' thread was started my first thoughts were Hitler Youth....I was not going to bring it up....darn it......just did:x

Defective sense of historical perspective. Recalibration required.

Update drivers, reboot.

:har:

Defective? How? Just stating this was the first thing that came to mind with the word "indoctrination" :D

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I was at the library this weekend - my son's chess club had a fun meet, and while I whiled away the time reading - a woman walked in. She was wearing an Obama for President T-shirt. She asked, in a rather loud voice - "Wheres the meeting at?" This was pretty much shouted out to all the patrons.

One of the librarians approached her and asked her what she meant. She responded by loudly proclaiming that there was supposed to be a meeting of the local democratic party and she wanted to know where everyone was. *I guess this meant that none of the library patrons were good democratic worker bees?* Anyway, come to find out she said the meeting was supposed to be at the local polling place, but that was the fire department down the road and no one there knew anything about it, so she was told to check at the library. With children in the meeting room playing chess, it should have been obvious there was no party meeting. The librarian courteously suggested that perhaps the woman should call the local party office and inquire.

The lady got rather perturbed that no one seemed to be informed as to the meeting and its location, and stormed out ranting about how everyone in the biulding must be a "damned lying republican" because we were - and I kid you not - out to deprive her from attending the local party meeting.

All I can say is I understand how Obama got elected now - its summed up in one word that describes the "average" voter today (of any political stripe).....

CLUELESS

I reckon add to that Lazy and Apathetic, and you're developing a great picture of most of the western world's voters

Or the lady was an idiot? Are you saying that Republicans have never done that either?

:har:

I love the theme among the fringe around here of "Obama got elected because the voters are all stupid".

How do we account for 8 years of Bush? Did all the intelligent voters die in his 2nd term?

Laughable, at best. Sad, at worst....:yep:

Oh, thats easy, Enigma...
Bush didn't get elected. :rotfl:

Don't you remember all that hanging chad and disenfranchise a few hundred thousand likely Democrat voters stuff?

Rigged, stole, cheated are some words that spring to mind, but elected?

Enigma and Market - you know - before you jump off your own deep end and "repeat" comments that were never made - you really should read what is written vs what you WANT or EXPECT to read.

I specifically said:

"that describes the "average" voter today (of any political stripe)....."

Of any political stripe would not be pointing at democrats specifically, nor would it be giving republicans some magic pass (and for the record - their candidate wasn't all that great either).

The fact that you both would post infering that somehow republicans were not also included - not only ignores what was posted, but it in some ways placed yourselves into the same category as the average voter - appearing CLUELESS - because you didn't even pay enough attention to read it through, and instead felt OBLIGATED to be offended or otherwise "wronged".

Thank you for proving the point, even if your intent was different.

I do not mean this ugly, but you have to accept that you need to pay more attention to what is stated, and not jump off a bridge without looking first. Well ok you dont HAVE to - but when you don't pay attention - you are likely to get the results pointed out to you rather harshly.

You mean the ones recounted repeatedly after the election by GoP hostile news organizations that all confirmed Bush's win?

But speaking of remembering I also remember the Democratic parties attempts to invalidate millions of military member absentee ballots both in Florida and in the rest of the nation because they tend to vote republican. I remember the Dems launching lawsuits to get Ralph Nadars name off the ballot in nearly every state. I remember their demands for repeated recounts in Florida but only in the counties they dominated, while simultaniously trying to prevent recounts everywhere else.

Yeah I remember the 2000 Florida election but to me the right person prevailed.

No not 'stupid', clueless was a better descriptor, un-informed, enamored, charmed, duped, are a few others. Of course there is a large majority hoping for change, problem is they dident even know what the change might represent.

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But that's exactly what the left said when Bush was elected. Both times. I'm not an Obama fan, but then I wasn't a Bush fan either. In both cases it sounds like sour grapes to me.

Well the main difference is Steve is that even now there are some of the Obama supporters who at the time said 'Hey maybe he is okay' or 'Lets give him a chance' are now saying 'Oh my god I did not realize what a liberal he really is' or 'Oh my goodness he is not the man I was lead to believe he was'.