Mhm.. yea.. using the search option ought to be to easy, I guess

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,446805,00.html

Russia needs the money as much as Europe needs it's energy. Russia can provide some pressure through energy for a given time, but that's it. Now that russias market collapsed and prices for oil and gas are dropping this is true so even more. We Euros know Russia is not an essential threat, and Russia knows we know. What you see on TV is just the big game of politics, deception and pretention, just like in the best days of the cold war. Putin is not at all interested in going into war, he has nothing to win in such a scenario, especially as the ideology legitimating actions on an international level is gone. He also is not stupid, he realizes that. All he wants to serve are Russias minority complexes of having lost their diplomatic heavy weight and importance on the world stage. Putin simply wants to make Russia indispencible when it comes to international diplomacy, including potential conflicts like North Korea or Iran.

No problem :up:

You keep telling yourself that. It is merely blind comfort for you. I actually feel sorry for you people over there. I agree. In the context of the current world Russia needs your money. However it's much harder to judge the geostrategic significance of that arena with a USA that has an administration in place with no stomach to support your security interests over there. Russia need not wage any battles. Nor do they need to win any wars to "exert" themselves over your interests. Obama probably ain't gonna help you in any way. Judging by some of his previous outlooks on things and the people he's likely to have in his administration. And I feel that is regrettable.

Schmucks, oi-oi-oi :p That with the energy supply is true, you know we lost 2 wars, we were outnumbered and now have zero resources, and we can do nothing. Or are you implying Germany should re-arm, get our act together and finally make up for Stalingrad?

P.S. Sea Demon, you're clairvoyant by any means?

I seriously don't think you guys are capable of that anymore. Just being honest.

You wouldn't let us, would you?

The Russians aren't laughing. They're pointing missiles at you.

And at you too, you schmucks! :up:

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Yeah, Sarah Palin says she sees them from her porch don't cha know.

You see, there is your misconception. If worse should really come to worse, the US would have no chance but to provide that support if they want to hold on their standing in the world. It's in it's own essential interest, coming close only to defending the US itself. And the same applies to Europe should the US ever get "really" threatend. You may not realize this, but only Europe is able and willing to support the US in a way it can make real world moving politics. Without that support the US would stand alone, isolated from the rest. And the US is by far not that unvulnerable that it can comfortably live without it's allies. That would have been McCains politics, and that for sure also is Obamas politics.

But she is allowed to own guns and we are not.

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America !! :damn:

Hello,

SeaDemon:
" ... Obama probably ain't gonna help you in any way. ..."

I think it was in 1989/90 when some basic things changed dramatically concerning your "geostrategic significance". The time of military imperial superpowers are gone, if at all this is the time of economical warfare.

Obama will have to clear up the inherited mess in your country that grew in the last years, end the financial crisis and decide whether you keep spending billions of dollars in your worldwide wars "to represent your international interests", rather than educating your children. I think he will have his hands full, don't you think so?

You may or you may not realize it - we do not want to have the US help us - against whom ? From what ? The goddam Russians would have been your allies against terrorism or whatever, they are keen of joining the Nato :88)

We will keep buying your Coca Cola and Computers, and some of the US will probably keep buying our cars. But this is because of taste, quality and respect, not because either side supports the other's politics, or geostrategic interests.

I found this Bush-bashing rather idiotic, but he was no statesman in my eyes. And how can - in a democracy - the son of a president again become one, like in royal succession. Was there really no better man ?

" ...I actually feel sorry for you people over there. ..."
I can honestly say we felt the same for you in the past eight years ;)

Greetings,
Catfish

We are not constitutionally obligated to defend you or your interests. That's where you're wrong. The thing I also find funny, is you truly think that most of us here in America truly care about your perceptions of us. Most of us care about what's in our own interests primarily. Sorry, but it's true. With that in mind, I believe European security is good for American security. I was deployed to Spangdahlem (the mighty 52nd) in the late 90's. Although the threat was low, I would have been more than willing to defend your homes in the context of both US and NATO security. But with an Obama administration, I'm not convinced that your security will be much of a priority anymore. And securing your interests against uncommon and assymetric threats is most likely out of the question.

For your sake, you better hope Iran doesn't develop nuclear warheads. They already have missiles that can reach you. And an Ayatollah and President that speak of apocalype as a way to usher in the era of the Mahdi. The US missile shield is probably going away. And we have elected an administration more concerned about "spreading the wealth" and providing "hope". If you are going to be confronted by Russian "influence" or Iranian madness, I don't believe an Obama administration is going to come to help you. I hope I'm wrong. But what scares me to death is I'm most likely correct.

While the Russians move missiles close to your borders, you might want to wake the hell up. Just a suggestion.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

I don't believe that stuff. You think you know them because you watch the televitz. I know Iranians and they are really smart people. The problem is rather they hate Israel, and that is very deep.

Well, like I said. You better hope you're correct. We have the beliefs of the Ayatollah, the words of the Iranian President, and a known nuclear program. We know the Shahab-3 exists and what capability it has. Ignore those signs at your own peril. Don't forget those Russian missiles moving West either. And with an Obama administration with the potential cabinet appointees I've seen so far......good luck.

Geez, man, you have no idea about the basics of US foreign politics. You also have no idea about your own country's future president. Heck, even I have a better picture of this man then you do if you think Obama won't follow traditional U.S.politics with only nuances changing. The election is over, one Candidate won and it's urgent time to come down with this kinda panic making and "ooooh noez doomsday!" rethorics. Heaven, this may fly with uneducated rednecks who have no idea how the world works and that France is not located in the middle east. But don't attempt this with me, kay? I am allergical to Propaganda.

P.S. Here, I just found something interesting.

http://english.pravda.ru/topic/elections-608/

Lot's of stuff to read. There you see pretty much exactly how the russians work atm. Big talk here. If taken seriously, the russians got what they wanted.

Russia has absolutely Zero to gain by instigating a war with Europe or any other major gobal player. Certainly, Russia is not losing any sleep over menacing one or two of its weaker neighbours. Western Europe would be another matter militarily and besides why would Russia want to destroy one of its major its energy markets?

You don't have any idea about anything. The President has leverage over matters of military concern, including deployments and R&D proposals. Also missile defense, while funded through the Congress will not have any priorities without Presidential approval. He will approve or disapprove the budgeting for it. In addition, the Democrat Congress currently running the show has no intention of pursuing it. They have shown that. In addition, there has indeed been alot of differences in how Presidents have viewed the world and acted accordingly. On a fundamental level, while Mr. Clinton treated terrorist operations as a purely criminal matter, Mr. Bush treated it as an act of war by non-aligned terrorist organizations. And has pursued it to the level of nation state sponsors of terror. Big, big difference.

You see absolutely nothing. Indeed Mr. Bush has promoted and actively pursued high tech weapons programs that will ensure future security for America and her allies. Mr. Obama has talked of cutting many of these programs, and has shown particular disdain for missile shield proposals. This may have an adverse effect on your own security. We don't even have the shield deployed, and Russia is moving missiles to your border. We'll see how Obama responds, but as of now, it is certain that Russian leadership is intent on pushing Mr. Obama and finding his weak points. I find this to be troubling to say the least. And as said before, we have no constitutional obligation to defend you or your interests. I'm not sure exactly what Obama's foreign policy will be. But I got a good idea by some of his past remarks, and names being floated around as possible cabinet appointees. It doesn't fare well for Europe with a Russia intent on reasserting itself. The fact that you don't believe US policy can change, especially with current global and financial consequences, tells me you don't get it. You're right, Mr. Obama won the election. I accept that. And I'm willing to give him a chance. But I worry about these things as Mr. Obama has shown himself to be an appeaser (in comments) and Russian missiles are moving toward Europe. You expect him to follow a model of central security, through a model of deterrence against a Russia intent on reasserting itself and holding you guys by the crotch on energy. I'm saying don't hold your breath. There is simply nothing there in US policy guaranteeing we secure your interests for you. None at all. Believe me, you may be on the verge of that being demonstrated.