I forgot about russia.:huh: I should have rememberd them after the great time ive been haveing with there planes in IL2.:lol: It is quite likely that no matter if america would have or not have gotten in the war, Germany was gona lose. I myself think they got alittle to overconfidentin in there defences(1940-1943), The loss of uboats during 43-44 was a big notice to them.:-? I think thats the way to say it.