"Alles für Deutschland"...??? A Nazi swastika attached close to that slogan...?

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Golden Rivet, have you ever spend a thought on what you were doing when designing your sig? I assume you were just easy-minded, but dozens of millions turned out to be the answer to "alles für Deutschland" - they got killed. and have you ever thought about how a KZ survivor must feel if meeting you displaying carelessly the symbols of the murderous horror he survived and his family not? Not to forget that you can be understood to be a Nazi yourself when showing Nazi symbols so carelessly?

Dresses make people. So be careful how you dress.

We have considered a "political/religous/global warming/I-have-an-agenda-and-I-cannot-stop-thinking-about-it!" sub forum but then that would have to be moderated by someone too. :-? The key to keeping the repititous threads to a minimum is not to REPLY to them, they would sink to page 2 pretty quickly if everyone held their nose and passed on by.

relax skybird... its just an SH3 Sig :roll: i assure you im a sheep in wolves clothing hahaha

besides - according to my German friend that statement signifies allegiance to Germany - NOT "the party" and is thus a slogan of patriotism which can be viewed as separate from nazism.... hence the reason i used it rather than something like "heil hitler" or "alles fur der furher" - THAT would be naziism

some will be offended by it i suppose... but im an American - if im not offending someone - im doing something wrong. :lol:

EDIT: the allegiance to Germany thing is what i was going for because my sh3 persona "Jon Wintergarten" is simply a kriegsmarine officer doing his job who is a loyal patriot of his country... NOT a loyal follower of Hitler.

That's a big if. :lol:

Seriously though I agree with the above common sense approach. :yep:

And people should remember that there are other categories on the Subsim forums such as SHIII, SHIV, Dangerous Waters, Sub and Naval discussions, Helosim and Flight Sims, Tank Sims and others that could be contributed to by members. Sometimes I think that some people know nothing but the GT forum.

Agreed.

Hopefully it'll calm down after the election, although I have my fears that if the "wrong" candidate wins we're not going get a moments rest.

On another note I just noticed that PayPal finally allows one to transfer money from a bank account to the PayPal account. I don't know how long this has been so, but anyway a donation is incoming :up:
Eveyone else who has so far used the "I don't have a credit card"-excuse take note!

Thanks, I appreciate that.

For me, no matter who wins the election, I will support him. I may oppose some/all of his policies as time passes, but at least initially I will reserve judgment until he has a chance to begin.

Also, I have moved a few "naval" topics to the Naval Topics forum. If your topic was moved, don't take it as a slap at all, I'm just trying to establish the Naval Topics forum as a place to discuss normal stuff that does not belong here in GT.

Neal

Alles für Deutschland? Really "alles"? You remember the lines: "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt?" See the linking in meaning? These lines are now not only deleted from the national anthem, they are also forbidden. Only the second of three verses form the official german anthem nowadays. And that is a good thing, and a good text. the other two are ouaäh...

Well, in some things, Anglosaxons and most other Europeans are definitely very different.

Just because we had small contact before prevented me from being harsh here. I assumed that you are no Nazi, but mindless "only". Nevertheless, if yopu would have been a stranger, you would be listed as a Neonazi in my books now. maybe that motivates a second thought on it. BTW. three quarters of the german U-Bootä-Männer got killed during the war. especially the U-Boot-part of the Marine hated the Nazis very intensely. You certainly know the movie "Das Boot". you remember the character of that text-book Nazi-German appearing. And you also recall that he was isolated and avoided by the rest of the crew, and the Käptn secretely disliked and hated him completely - and the political leadership as well.

Now try to imagine what this Kaleu would have told you if he would have seen you with a flag like that. Are you sure that you are matching reality with your self-description of how you mean it - or are you maybe just serving a self-constructed cliche: your cliche about things, that is? ;)

As I said, I find you not to be a Nazi, but mindless. This is no historic docu that gets shot. This is a game, and your sig is part of your very private behavior. that means it is being connected to you personally, not to a function in an educating project, or something like that.

Exactly, and those handfull are not going to convince one another or anyone else for that matter to change their point of view.

A virtual example of futility.

This is the reason I abstain from any further political discussion.

If it wasn't for the great big swastika I would have given you the benefit of the doubt. :shifty:

You can't really claim that your sig isn't about Nazism when it has a swastika on it that is so big it doesn't all fit on.

take it as you will gentlemen. I'll say no more on this issue other than this;

A lot of people play with the swastika in game - so what of them?

I play a subsim which is based upon the activities of World War II Germany... i have a "character" in SH3 that i play as in my career as many other SH3 players have too... Some of us have gone so far as to develop a back story to the "character" and mine (Jon Wintergarten) is one of deep devotion to national pride and patriotism who despises the fact that his proud nation is under the leadership of a murderous blood thirsty baboon... yet - he cannot escape that fact since everything around him is coated in nazi symbology. - his papwerwork - the flags - even the very medals which hang on his chest! - he cannot escape it.

To me that is what the sig symbolizes... even though you are an ordinary soldier doing your job - your day to day life is encrouched upon by the "party"... and all you can do about it is try to remind yourself that you are doing it "all for germany" aka "Alles for Deutschland"

I'll change my sig if so instructed by a moderator... otherwise you may all just "pucker up".

that being said - my sig will probably change half a dozen times between now and New Years day!

what i really wanted - but lacked the time and ability to do - was a pin up style lady stooped over in an engine room with a bit of her arse showing as she looked for the "golden rivet". :up:

now - back on topic please?

When it comes to good taste and sigs I follow the "If you wouldn't have it as a bumper sticker/t-shirt, don't have it as a sig" rule.

A good rule to follow.

Okay, though not responsible for the general forum, this is a moderator indeed who is asking you to consider your Nazi sig, like he did here. ;)

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=142395

And people said "what an idiot" when some years ago prince Harry visited that party dressed up in a Nazi uniform with a swastika on his arm... I wonder why.

skybird. I have no quarrel with you... Or anyone else here for that matter. I can understand your position.

It's not like my sig is an image of a gas chamber at aushcwitz.

THAT would be in poor taste.

What would be the difference if I were to display the hammer and cicle?

No difference?

I don't visit the General discussion forums much.

After 24 hours of having this sig - my first one by the way - I have met with NOT ONE objection in the SH3 forums where I typically lurk, as such a thing is pretty normal there to display U-Boat war badges or knights crosses in the sig.

As I said before, I'll remove or alter the sig if instructed to do so... But I'm not going to do it because of one or two opinions.

skybird. I have no quarrel with you... Or anyone else here for that matter. I can understand your position.

It's not like my sig is an image of a gas chamber at aushcwitz.

THAT would be in poor taste.

What would be the difference if I were to display the hammer and cicle?

No difference?

I don't visit the General discussion forums much.

After 24 hours of having this sig - my first one by the way - I have met with NOT ONE objection in the SH3 forums where I typically lurk, as such a thing is pretty normal there to display U-Boat war badges or knights crosses in the sig.

As I said before, I'll remove or alter the sig if instructed to do so... But I'm not going to do it because of one or two opinions.

No, but it means for me, born just before the war started, just the same.
You must be totally without any historical understanding.

Look the sig is offensive to some and it is rather annoying because it is big and red.

That does not work Neal.

If one thread somehow sinks (Which is highly improbable due to the charged nature of the campaign) The usual people with the agenda will just repost it from a different news source or whatever.

So a thread about the merits of political discussion degrades into a pissing contest regarding someones sig between 2 or 3 people.

I think the point has been made.

DING DING DING DING

we have a winner!!!

It took so little to light the fuse, and it Didn't take more than a couple of hours either!

Now, can somone find me a good sig?