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Thomen 10-12-08 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Maybe it's me not reading too well, what I understood from Von Tonner's post is that the guy who is aware (regardless of whether it's true or not) that Obama's policy will be better for him and yet doesn't vote for him, is a racist. I don't see any surprise that indeed racist guys won't vote Obama.
And if Tom is 30yo, that doesn't mean that all 30yo men are named Tom. Nobody said that white guys voting for McCain do it only because of skin color.
The first picture by Type941 is typical of free speech turned into freedom to be openly racist. In many countries that sort of thing would bring the author to jail or at least a hefty fine. Some would call that an "attack on free-speech", others would simply call that "assuming one's act".
I must say I'm pretty disgusted.

So, what is with the people that vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black? That, imo, makes them racist too, does it not?

Digital_Trucker 10-12-08 04:11 PM

The first pic (the pic and above) is indeed racist and disgusting. The message below is not.

The problem, as I see it, with the concept that anyone who knows that Obama's policies are better and doesn't vote for him being racist is that no one can know that Obama's policies will be better for them because no one can know what Obama's policies are until he's elected. Perhaps I read too much into Von Tonner's tone (now comes the hour - now comes the man, etc).

As for 941's pics, using the second pic as a so called "example" of racism when it indeed is no such thing would lead one to believe that he does indeed think that anyone who is against Obama is a racist. Again, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that's the way I saw it.

baggygreen 10-12-08 04:18 PM

I can't wait til the bloody election is over. Then we can get back to less divisive topics, like religion and the war on terror:rotfl:

Digital_Trucker 10-12-08 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen
I can't wait til the bloody election is over. Then we can get back to less divisive topics, like religion and the war on terror:rotfl:

Or should it be terror and the war on religion?:rotfl:

Task Force 10-12-08 04:24 PM

In my opinion.

1 pic is raceist in my opinion.

2 pic in not raceist, It is just a guy showing that he dosent like Obama, and his followers.

Skybird 10-12-08 04:46 PM

"I am no racist and I support Obama although he has two kids of dark skin." :88)

McCain claims to defend Obama against republican hate-campaigners - but nevertheless his campaign-managers themselves keep on releasing vitriolic spots that throw more and more mud and become more and more personal. Two explanations only are possible, first: he lies and speaks with split tongue to the public, or second: he is not master in his own club-house - in which case you would ask how he could lead a whole nation.

The past two months have been a revelation for me, regarding McCain. Two years ago or so, I maybe would have found him acceptable and respectable. but his campaign style that he allows and helps to push forward has turned him into one of the most disgusting and unrespected figures of politics that I know of. And it seems from week to week he degenerates a bit more. A moral imposter he is, much like Palin. Seen that way, he maybe picked his soul-mate without realising it.

the second picture that some guys here declare as non-racist, reminds of the good old slogans in windows and doors of German shops and restaurants, some time ago: "No service for Jews". And after all, that guy is excluding 40-60% of the voting population, and probably at least as many people of the non-voting camp.

AVGWarhawk 10-12-08 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen
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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Maybe it's me not reading too well, what I understood from Von Tonner's post is that the guy who is aware (regardless of whether it's true or not) that Obama's policy will be better for him and yet doesn't vote for him, is a racist. I don't see any surprise that indeed racist guys won't vote Obama.
And if Tom is 30yo, that doesn't mean that all 30yo men are named Tom. Nobody said that white guys voting for McCain do it only because of skin color.
The first picture by Type941 is typical of free speech turned into freedom to be openly racist. In many countries that sort of thing would bring the author to jail or at least a hefty fine. Some would call that an "attack on free-speech", others would simply call that "assuming one's act".
I must say I'm pretty disgusted.

So, what is with the people that vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black? That, imo, makes them racist too, does it not?

Yes, there are black American that will vote Obama because he is black. Howard Stern (I know, just a crazy disk jockey) went to a predominatly black neighborhood and interviews blacks. He asked if they agreed with a list of policies. They agreed with all of them. However, these policies were McCains. Then they were asked if they are voting Obama. They all said yes. So, are they really looking at the issues or just the man? Obviously just the man. Is it racist? Not really IMO, just stupidity. I believe this goes hand in hand when a white will not vote Obama because he is black. Just more stupidity.

SUBMAN1 10-12-08 08:00 PM

I love this! Look at all these Europeans who have no clue what goes on in America, pretending they know what goes on in America! You guys are killing me! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

-S

magic452 10-13-08 01:24 AM

He was just working on the theory that if you keep moving you won't sink.
The BS was getting pretty deep by this time.:rotfl:

Two politicians the same sage can do that. :o

Skybird 10-13-08 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
So, are they really looking at the issues or just the man? Obviously just the man.

Serves McCain right. Isn't his camp telling openly that they are not about issues, but personalities? ;)

Rockin Robbins 10-13-08 05:45 AM

OOOOOOO, two points for Skybird there on a short post. McCain and company have done a very poor job of communication. They should have outed Obama long ago and got that out of the way and accepted as truth, especially in regard to his true function as a community organizer, a story yet to emerge.

But AFTER that was done, it is their responsibility to communicate a compelling vision of what America is and where we are going. Especially in the last debate, chance after chance escaped McCain to make vital and important points to communicate the vision. He passed every time. If for no reason than that he has not communicated well, McCain deserves to be behind. I'll vote for him, but I expect that he will lose. At this point, he doesn't deserve to win.

Konovalov 10-13-08 06:47 AM

I would agree on the above from RR. Too many mixed messages being sent out by the McCain campaign. Their strategy looks all too confused. I doubt that they can pull it back from here.

Also there have been a hell of a lot of ugly looking scenes at McCain/Palin rallies and town hall meetings which aren't exactly going to turn on swing/undecided voters.

AVGWarhawk 10-13-08 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
So, are they really looking at the issues or just the man? Obviously just the man.

Serves McCain right. Isn't his camp telling openly that they are not about issues, but personalities? ;)

It is always a popularity contest. It harkens back to high school. The school brain with an IQ of 180 will not beat the football jock. Show Obama in a unfavorable light concerning his association and he becomes unpopular. Just another tactic in politicians bags of tricks.

Skybird 10-13-08 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov
Also there have been a hell of a lot of ugly looking scenes at McCain/Palin rallies and town hall meetings which aren't exactly going to turn on swing/undecided voters.

You mean the long anti-Palin Booooh at the hockey opener? http://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Fr...a.at_10391.gif

AVGWarhawk 10-13-08 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
OOOOOOO, two points for Skybird there on a short post. McCain and company have done a very poor job of communication. They should have outed Obama long ago and got that out of the way and accepted as truth, especially in regard to his true function as a community organizer, a story yet to emerge.

But AFTER that was done, it is their responsibility to communicate a compelling vision of what America is and where we are going. Especially in the last debate, chance after chance escaped McCain to make vital and important points to communicate the vision. He passed every time. If for no reason than that he has not communicated well, McCain deserves to be behind. I'll vote for him, but I expect that he will lose. At this point, he doesn't deserve to win.

It is not over yet RR. McCain has another chance to drive his point home...if he has one.

Skybird 10-13-08 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
So, are they really looking at the issues or just the man? Obviously just the man.

Serves McCain right. Isn't his camp telling openly that they are not about issues, but personalities? ;)

It is always a popularity contest. It harkens back to high school. The school brain with an IQ of 180 will not beat the football jock. Show Obama in a unfavorable light concerning his association and he becomes unpopular. Just another tactic in politicians bags of tricks.

Poisenous little movie there is: "Election" (1999). :D

http://www.metacritic.com/video/titl...ion?q=election

I often thought of that movie since Palin was introduced.

AVGWarhawk 10-13-08 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
So, are they really looking at the issues or just the man? Obviously just the man.

Serves McCain right. Isn't his camp telling openly that they are not about issues, but personalities? ;)

It is always a popularity contest. It harkens back to high school. The school brain with an IQ of 180 will not beat the football jock. Show Obama in a unfavorable light concerning his association and he becomes unpopular. Just another tactic in politicians bags of tricks.

Poisenous little movie there is: "Election" (1999). :D

http://www.metacritic.com/video/titl...ion?q=election

I often thought of that movie since Palin was introduced.

Although I have not seen this movie, I likened Obama campaign in the same light...running for class president.

Frame57 10-13-08 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Digital Trucker - what you should find most humorous is the fact that a South African is talking about un-American activities! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

That's just fricking hallarious! :D :rotfl:

-S

No doubt, I almost forgot about that one. teah the people who made American Slavery look like Kindergarten.

Frame57 10-13-08 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Yes that's what he said. If you read only 1 word out of 3.

It was in his summary statement... Funny though that everyone thinks that a democrat will put food on their tables. The housing and bank situation was started by them, it started with a thing called "community re-investment". It is bad business to give loans to those who cannot afford them to begin with. Would you give me a personal loan knowing I could not pay it back?

Digital_Trucker 10-13-08 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
So, are they really looking at the issues or just the man? Obviously just the man.

Serves McCain right. Isn't his camp telling openly that they are not about issues, but personalities? ;)

As a matter of fact, the answer to that question is no. One of his campaign people said that the CAMPAIGN is not about issues, but is about personalities. As usual, the other side puts their spin on the out of context statement to make it advantageous to themselves.


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