Sheesh folks, let's agree to a couple of things. Let me toss 'em out one by one:

Bush is no conservative. Ronald Reagan was a conservative. Bush is no leader. Ronald Reagan was a leader, who commanded the respect of those who did not agree with him. What Bush does does not reflect on conservatives at all, or conservatism.

President Clinton was the best Republican he could be for six years. His whole presidency after 1994 was based on finding out what the Republicans wanted and doing it first. Although liberal by inclination, Clinton was an opportunist, who chose his actions by ease of accomplishment and estimated amount of popular acclaim that would result. Were Clinton president on September 11, 2001, he would have done exactly what President Bush did, including the war in Iraq, and for the same reasons.

Actually, both Bushes and Clinton were identical types of president. They would say they had a position, walk into a meeting and say, "but who cares what I think, let's make a deal." The only area where HW Bush showed any leadership was the war against terrorism and Iraq, and he was unable to explain satisfactorily why he did the right thing. That yields the same result as doing the wrong thing.

I am a conservative, but conservatives are making a grave mistake by calling liberals a bunch of pansies. If Obama is elected president (and I predict he will, God help us) and if he pulls out of Iraq (I believe he won't, among lots of other things he won't) our army will have a shadow when it returns and the shadow will gleefully switch from fighting trained and well-armed volunteers in their part of the world to killing defenseless civilians in our country. I would give 50% odds that within a couple of years of our return we will wake up to a large northeastern or Californian city being wiped off the face of the earth by a nuclear explosion. Note that it will be a liberal city.

At that point, all the Republicans who think the American liberals are a bunch of pansies will learn that they are wrong. The liberals are doing nothing more than giving the militant Islamic terrorists one last chance. Their reaction to the inevitable payback for their pullback from the foreign battlefield will be an unrestrained attack of unbridled fury and death. The war of the Republicans sacrificed American lives to avoid undue civilian carnage and tried to protect the innocent. The liberal backlash will do no such thing. The words "fuel-air bomb" will be literally burnt into your memory for the rest of your life. It will be middle eastern destruction, a war of unimaginable cruelty without regard for life or property, friend or foe. But unlike the Republican patty-cake war, it will work. After all, peace with an implacable enemy only results from resounding, complete victory in war.

You can make friends afterwards with the survivors, if any.

Whoa there chief, you really need to go get some air, I'm not kidding. Go on a date, play with a cat or something. The terrorists don't have nukes. Only in paranoid fantasy Rush Limbaugh land do sand dwellers go from RPGs and Ak-47s to nukes. It just doesn't work that way.

Your fear mongering is off the charts.

If you liberals have your way...they will eventually. :yep:

*rolls eyes

This is why you liberals aren't fit to run this country. I'm sure Obama is rolling his eyes to the threats America faces in the future as well.

I hate to tell you this, but republicans don't have a monopoly on the military. I was in the army. I met many liberals. They were mostly special forces, SEALs, etc. The run of the mill dumb grunt and truck driver is usually a right winger though. No surprise there.

I was in the USAF. And deployed in joint operations. While raw politics was never really discussed, it was obvious to me most would be Republican as voters. I doubt you ever served in the military. Or if you did, you got a dishonorable discharge with the work ethic you describe yourself as having. I know three people who used to be in Army special forces and they are just as horrified of the Democrat Party as I am.

I knew a SF medic 18D blacker than shoe polish, who won't be hanging out with McLame anytime soon. I got a bad conduct discharge actually. Seems I don't take to kindly to authority. Can you imagine?

OK. But you do know that demographically, the military has usually gone Republican. We all understand what happens to the military when Democrats have power. Those of us who served in the Clinton military remember. Things like the Democrats threatening to stop funding our soldiers who are in harms way doesn't help Democrats. Nor does it help your argument. I know these people largely go Republican by experience. It's why the Democrats were trying to throw out military ballots in Florida in 2000. They knew that as well.

Sorry to hear of your BCD, what was your MOS?

Obama wants to protect America....NOT!!
 

Video speaks for itself. Obama in his own words.

http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/0...otect-america/

I like my BCD, in liberal land it's a badge of honor. It kept me out of Iraq, I would have been recalled. I like having all my fingers, legs and sanity. I was 11M, mechanized infantry.

It's heavily republican, no doubt, but don't act surprised that there are liberals in the mix. Don't talk aout of your butt, I was in the army under clinton. I assure you, I had plenty of ammo, guns and body armor. Luckily for me Clinton lied about a blowjob, and NOT about Weapons of Mass Distruction.

When Clinton lied, no one died.

Interesting. Then why did you join to begin with, If I may ask?

I learned a long time ago that the schoolyard bully never respected weakness. The only thing to answer the bully with was superior strength and a good old fashioned ass whoopin.

I was the all American kid, that is what we do! I was a boyscout, dad was a cop, I was in civil air patrol. I was going to go fight the "bad guys" so we would be free to worship J E S U S. haha. Trust me, if someone told me I would be a maga liberal at 17 when I joined up I would have never believed it. I joined on my 17th birthday. Republicans were gods people on earth to me back then. Oh you would have been hard pressed to find a more gung ho candidate.

Well, I joined. Went ok for awhile and I learned it was all a big bunch of BS. Soldiers were fat, did drugs, stayed drunk. This wasn't even during war time. I was wanting to be Captian America himself, but I was living and working with the poor dregs of society that could not get hired at McDonalds. I did details out at School of the America's, back when it was called that. The official story was that it was to fight the drug war. Ok, "hoo ahh" I thought. I was mainly helping with training weapons, recon, opfor etc. I learned later to my shock that we were training death squads to go back to South America to kill people not friendly to the US. Professionals, intellectuals, artist, labor organizers. You know the story. The US denies this of course. They trained Norieaga and he was a CIA agent but Panama got invaded when he stopped taking orders from Washington. Well, I know one thing. The official story is ALWAYS BS. From the Gulf of Tonkin, to Iraq. It's all lies. The agenda is laid out far in advance of the catalyst. This time the trade towers. I had a demo permit, I don't believe the 9-11 official story. Fire can't make building fall like that, only demo can. It's science. That could have been the terrorists, sure, but there is no way jet fuel alone did that. You have to have a half pound of C4 just to blow up some lousy concertina wire. Yeah I'm a 9-11 truther, I await the slamming from all the armchair commandoes.

You learn a lot, you make friends with cooks and green berets, SEALs and mechanics. You piece the puzzle together over time. The war on drugs was called the "war on the competition". America deal in the drug trade? Oh not my America! I was naive as it gets. I got a real rude awakening. So to make a long story short, I am living the good life in liberal land, and I go toe to toe with people who think our wars and military post WW2 have been doing anything righteous.

Oh yeah the BCD, I got bored, low morale, started screwing off and not caring, got into trouble. Nothing major, got booted. They said my "life was over" with a BCD, I laughed in their face. No one on the outside gives a crap. Well I can't be a cop, but big deal.

It was NOT the experience I would have ever dreamed. It was however a really good experience because it opened my eyes bigtime.

Interesting story. Back in the late 70's I was a 12B10 which is a combat engineer. We used bangalore torpedoes on concertina fences. Det cord was another favorite toy of mine. We would topple trees with the stuff. I later cross branched to active duty Navy because I became a bit bored and wanted to climb the ranks at a faster pace. I was a demolition expert and I disagree with you with regards to what Jet fuel can do. The temperature threshold was very high and can melt steel. The only public opposition to this came from Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen. I cannot for a moment think they are scientists by any measure. Do you think Arabs would die for an American conspiracy?

Unwillingly, you bet. They were put on the planes, no doubt. No way they knew they were about to be martyrs sooner rather than later. CIA or Mossad, whoever did it would not have risked one of them having a "comming to Jesus" moment in the middle of the airport. They probably thought they were just taking a connecting flight but it was really not the dress rehearsal anymore :know:

I'm still not sure about Flight 93, I am betting a F-16 pilot defied orders and said "fuuck this" and shot the thing down because he heard about the attacks.

Greetings, Flamingboat,

The General Topics forum got more interesting when you came aboard, thanks for standing up. We're in mighty strange times now, and it's vital to start thinking outside the box.

What some folks have come to realize is that the old labels like "liberal" & "conservative" have been rendered nearly meaningless. That is, the two parties running the Punch & Judy Show in Washington are beholden to the same power elite, who laugh at us peasants who continue to vote for the stooges THEY select to maintain the illusion of a republic. Our democratic process bears a striking resemblance to professional wrestling, esp. nowadays! Does anybody seriously think that out of the millions of people in this country, McCain & Obama are the best qualified men we could find? Puh-leeeze!

In the long run, the Wall St. Bailout may be far more significant than what happens with the election next month -- that is, if the election even takes place. I figure the economic situation is even worse than they're admitting. I'm buying more groceries than usual, just in case.

What I reckon is in the pipeline, regardless of who's in office (remember both parties pushed for the bailout), is a total nationalization of our financial system. It won't be called communist or fascist -- it'll be an emergency "rescue", of course! And if that brilliant plan doesn't work, the filthy rich will slip away to their safe havens (guarded by Blackwater mercs) and let us liberal & conservative peasants kill each other over whatever's left.

Friends, if you're still getting your news from the mainstream media... The Matrix has you. Take the red pill, please. It's later than you think.

Some people never learn.

Clinton tried the tie in game and it failed.

Nuff Said

BTW.. Even McCain admits there is no need for fear from an Obama presidency http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf6YKOkfFsE